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China and South Korea reportedly agree on non-nuclear North Korea
SEOUL, Jan. 5 (UPI) -- Officials from China and South Korea met in Seoul on Monday to discuss regional security, including the objective of a non-nuclear North Korea.
"The two sides agreed to further strengthen bilateral and multilateral cooperation for peace and security on the Korean Peninsula," a South Korean foreign ministry official told Yonhap News.
According to the official, the Chinese delegation "showed its support" for South Korean efforts to improve inter-Korean relations and agreed to support a "zero tolerance" stance toward North Korea's nuclear weapons program.
Monday's meeting marked the second such gathering since December 2013 and followed a New Year's Day proposal by North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un "to hold the highest-level talks."
[EDITORIAL COMMENT:- Between the PRC and (South)Korea, (North)Korea is in the proverbial position where "... their hearts and minds will follow". It appears that (North)Korea has outlived its usefulness to the PRC - or possibly the PRC sees how its security will be improved by having a friendly and united Korea rather than an unfriendly and fractured one. PS. - If you held a vote today the Korean people would vote overwhelmingly for re-unification (provided that they didn't have to specify which form of government was to be in place) and a significant majority would vote for re-unification even if they did have to specify which form of government was to be in place.]
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China and South Korea reportedly agree on non-nuclear North Korea
SEOUL, Jan. 5 (UPI) -- Officials from China and South Korea met in Seoul on Monday to discuss regional security, including the objective of a non-nuclear North Korea.
"The two sides agreed to further strengthen bilateral and multilateral cooperation for peace and security on the Korean Peninsula," a South Korean foreign ministry official told Yonhap News.
According to the official, the Chinese delegation "showed its support" for South Korean efforts to improve inter-Korean relations and agreed to support a "zero tolerance" stance toward North Korea's nuclear weapons program.
Monday's meeting marked the second such gathering since December 2013 and followed a New Year's Day proposal by North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un "to hold the highest-level talks."
[EDITORIAL COMMENT:- Between the PRC and (South)Korea, (North)Korea is in the proverbial position where "... their hearts and minds will follow". It appears that (North)Korea has outlived its usefulness to the PRC - or possibly the PRC sees how its security will be improved by having a friendly and united Korea rather than an unfriendly and fractured one. PS. - If you held a vote today the Korean people would vote overwhelmingly for re-unification (provided that they didn't have to specify which form of government was to be in place) and a significant majority would vote for re-unification even if they did have to specify which form of government was to be in place.]
Posted 10 y ago
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I wrote a thesis for Master's on this. As of now, I highly doubt that they would get rid of their nukes. North Korea is a country of only 25 million people and is the size of Pennsylvania. Sony's revenue is bigger than North Korea. They make almost 97% less than us and use 94% less electricity. The economy is like the Cuban economy.
Bottom line is that with their poor resources, demographics, and economy, they will do whatever it takes to stay relevant in today's world. Notice that when they haven't been in the news for awhile, they will do something outlandish so they are?
North Korea's main goal is survival of their regime. The leaders don't want to lose their power, hence the power grab after Kim Jong Il died and Kim Jong Un's uncle being killed. Their strategy is cyclical: 1. make promises or do something to get aid or be in the news (rattling their saber), 2. start talks, 3. get what they wanted, 4. break promises, then start the process again!).
Since the 80s experts stated that when Kim Il Sung died, the regime would collapse, they said the same thing with Kim Jong Il too, and they have been proven wrong. In other countries the people would have risen up long ago, but the North Koreans have been brainwashed to not only think the Kims are Gods, but also the fear of being deported to camps (3 generations) is enough to keep them quiet.
interestingly because of the lack of food, the North koreans are couple of inches shorter than South Koreans, and their military gear is starting to fall apart. Even if they had the money, they couldn't buy spare parts since they don't make it anymore! Nukes are the only way for a country like North Korea have leverage in today's world. They also now know hacking is another way.
Who knows, maybe they will make a hacking nuke!
Bottom line is that with their poor resources, demographics, and economy, they will do whatever it takes to stay relevant in today's world. Notice that when they haven't been in the news for awhile, they will do something outlandish so they are?
North Korea's main goal is survival of their regime. The leaders don't want to lose their power, hence the power grab after Kim Jong Il died and Kim Jong Un's uncle being killed. Their strategy is cyclical: 1. make promises or do something to get aid or be in the news (rattling their saber), 2. start talks, 3. get what they wanted, 4. break promises, then start the process again!).
Since the 80s experts stated that when Kim Il Sung died, the regime would collapse, they said the same thing with Kim Jong Il too, and they have been proven wrong. In other countries the people would have risen up long ago, but the North Koreans have been brainwashed to not only think the Kims are Gods, but also the fear of being deported to camps (3 generations) is enough to keep them quiet.
interestingly because of the lack of food, the North koreans are couple of inches shorter than South Koreans, and their military gear is starting to fall apart. Even if they had the money, they couldn't buy spare parts since they don't make it anymore! Nukes are the only way for a country like North Korea have leverage in today's world. They also now know hacking is another way.
Who knows, maybe they will make a hacking nuke!
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COL Ted Mc
LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU® All incredibly good points and completely valid - normally.
However, when the NoKos are dealing with the PRC they are playing a completely different game since the PRC wouldn't find any real difficulty in "dismantling" NoKo's nuclear program by showing the NoKos what real nuclear weapons attached to real ballistic missiles are like.
In fact, the PLA would probably execute the Seniour Colonel who conducted the horrendously criminal attack without any authorization whatsoever from the government of the peace-loving government of the PRC.
Of course, for security reasons, no outsiders would be permitted to witness either the trial or the execution and (to spare his family from unwarranted shame and disgrace) the PRC wouldn't announce the name of the evil doer either.
However, when the NoKos are dealing with the PRC they are playing a completely different game since the PRC wouldn't find any real difficulty in "dismantling" NoKo's nuclear program by showing the NoKos what real nuclear weapons attached to real ballistic missiles are like.
In fact, the PLA would probably execute the Seniour Colonel who conducted the horrendously criminal attack without any authorization whatsoever from the government of the peace-loving government of the PRC.
Of course, for security reasons, no outsiders would be permitted to witness either the trial or the execution and (to spare his family from unwarranted shame and disgrace) the PRC wouldn't announce the name of the evil doer either.
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