Posted on Oct 29, 2021
Is double-dipping promotion points against the regulations?
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Is double dipping promotion point against the regulations for service members after viewed in a audit , I have a soldier trying to get promoted and he is going to try to use this as a way to get promoted. In 2009 I remember older NCOs using this tact to get promoted, I was never sure it was legal or not . I advised him to be cautious
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How do you double dip promotion points? You either have them or you don't. Not sure how one could count double points when the documents in the packet(s) don't support the doubling of the points.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
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Personally to me that's oranges and apples - for example Ranger School has Reppeling in their Mountain Phrase and Air Asssault School teaches Reppeling as part of their course also.
Should DA diregard a week of one course or the other because they have the same subject matter
Personally to me that's oranges and apples - for example Ranger School has Reppeling in their Mountain Phrase and Air Asssault School teaches Reppeling as part of their course also.
Should DA diregard a week of one course or the other because they have the same subject matter
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Ranger School and Air Assault school (and a few other schools) involve rappelling, neither one certifies you as a rappel master, and your example makes no sense anyway.
By your example, we should just hand a Ranger tab to everyone who makes it through Air Assault school.
You complete a correspondence course in the military. You get the points for it, those points are for MIL ED.
If you choose to enroll in a college, you get points for courses you complete in CIV ED.
you SHOULD get the benefit of college credits awarded as transfer for MIL ED courses.
But since you already got the benefit of promotion points, you SHOULDN'T get more promotion points for that class you already got points for, AND free college credit for. It wasn't a college class you completed as CIV ED, it was free credits on transfer.
You get MIL ED points for MIL ED courses you complete.
You get CIV ED points for CIV ED classes you complete.
It seems pretty simple.
By your example, we should just hand a Ranger tab to everyone who makes it through Air Assault school.
You complete a correspondence course in the military. You get the points for it, those points are for MIL ED.
If you choose to enroll in a college, you get points for courses you complete in CIV ED.
you SHOULD get the benefit of college credits awarded as transfer for MIL ED courses.
But since you already got the benefit of promotion points, you SHOULDN'T get more promotion points for that class you already got points for, AND free college credit for. It wasn't a college class you completed as CIV ED, it was free credits on transfer.
You get MIL ED points for MIL ED courses you complete.
You get CIV ED points for CIV ED classes you complete.
It seems pretty simple.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
SGM (Join to see) - I actually said, "a week of one course or the other" - not the whole course. You disagee and I got that.
I also took correspondence courses that counted for promotion points then counted seperately for a college degree, which again counted for promotion. I also said it was "oranges and apples" - meaning it makes no difference to me - its all the same thing.
I also took correspondence courses that counted for promotion points then counted seperately for a college degree, which again counted for promotion. I also said it was "oranges and apples" - meaning it makes no difference to me - its all the same thing.
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100% against regulations. This is why they do PPW audits. If he gets caught, that’s UCMJ
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So here's a question....................
When I was a 35F the local community college gave us 20 semester units for completing 35F AIT if we gave them the $50 enrolment fee. Sure, why not, so I did. Off topic, I then sent them my transcripts from another college to meet the GED requirement and the intel community college gave me an AA in Intel Operations. Basically, I just paid $50 enrollment and another $50 processing fee to be given another AA.
Now, I had a Bachelor degree when I put in a packet for SGT, so my Civilian education was maxed out regardless of how I tried to game more CIV education points.
So my question is, in the scenario where I had zero education would it be seen as promotion point double dipping to submit the 20 units from the community college who awarded me the units for merely attending AIT?
When I was a 35F the local community college gave us 20 semester units for completing 35F AIT if we gave them the $50 enrolment fee. Sure, why not, so I did. Off topic, I then sent them my transcripts from another college to meet the GED requirement and the intel community college gave me an AA in Intel Operations. Basically, I just paid $50 enrollment and another $50 processing fee to be given another AA.
Now, I had a Bachelor degree when I put in a packet for SGT, so my Civilian education was maxed out regardless of how I tried to game more CIV education points.
So my question is, in the scenario where I had zero education would it be seen as promotion point double dipping to submit the 20 units from the community college who awarded me the units for merely attending AIT?
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Follow up, lets even say the 20 intel units were used to complete a Bachelor degree which would max out civilian education points. So now the double dipping is hidden in the degree which will only look to see a degree was completed, and not bother to subtract the total units of intel credits that would otherwise make the degree incomplete.
So how far should the onion be peeled?
This is most certainly an issue with more than a few Intel MOS NCO's.
So how far should the onion be peeled?
This is most certainly an issue with more than a few Intel MOS NCO's.
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