Posted on Oct 27, 2014
Do you understand why mixing religion and politics may be the only thing that can save our country?
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Many people feel that the First Amendment calls for the separation of Church and State. No where in the Amendment do these words appear, but many people feel that is what our Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote our Constitution. One of our Founding Fathers stated "Christians should vote for Christian Leaders" (paraphrased) and you can look it up to prove its validity. When I speak of mixing religion and politics I am speaking of the ethics and integrity of people who know they must answer to a Higher Power (I call Him God). We need people who know that the greatest among us must be the servant of all. The First Amendment prevents government from setting up a mandatory national religion and prevents the government from messing with each citizen's individual right to worship as he or she sees fit. Look it up and read it before you argue with me. I just want to know how you all would feel about having elected officials that were honest, had integrity, and lead our country with those qualities. I am also enclosing a copy of an article I found in our newspaper (which surprised me as they tend to be pretty liberal!)! I am eager to hear your responses. Let's pick up this topic and run with it! it would not let me post the Newspaper article, but it basically says we need to stand up for people who truly stand up for God.
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PO2 David Reilly
Agreed. It is going to get all angry and emotional and all logic and courteous discourse will fly right out the window.
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I don't believe honesty and integrity in politicians is synonymous with a particular religion. Far from it. When you say God in your original post are you referring to the Shia or Sunni representation of a higher being? Islam is the fastest growing religion in the country. So why not keep that safeguard in the constitution that protects invidual Americans freedoms to their own ideas? There are Muslims in the world that stand up for God, they kill and have no qualms about sacrificing themselves for their God. Theocracy has to be the most corruptible system of government you only have to look to Iran or the history of the Vatican and some of the systemic scandals there.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
I do not know why I get the same words in different format that do not even answer the question I posted, but opine on the ambiguous. America started as a Christian nation and was better off.....historical facts. If you have a better idea I am sincere in my desire to hear it.
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As I read the Constitution, freedom of religion means we are free to worship God in any fashion we like. Not Allah as the Muslim's understand him, but God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth. I believe the founding fathers messed up by leaving God Himself out of the Constitution by name.
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SP5 Michael Rathbun
So, if I might make bold to ask, what exactly is that thing you (and I) took an oath to support and defend?
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SP5 Michael Rathbun
Ah. So my right not to have a religion is God-given rather than a result of the US Constitution. An interesting conundrum.
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TSgt Michael Williamson
I see that someone has no clue what the Constitution or their oath means.
So glad you're smarter than Thomas Jefferson.
So glad you're smarter than Thomas Jefferson.
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TSgt Michael Williamson
I was.
Goes does not exist, therefore he gave me nothing.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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What is it men cannot be made to believe!
-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)
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Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
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Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
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I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
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I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789
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They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.
-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800
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Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
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The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
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Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
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In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814
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If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816
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My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816
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You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819
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As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819
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Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820
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Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
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To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820
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Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind.
-Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822.
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I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
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And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
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It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825
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May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)
Do YOU understand that the only way to save America is to destroy religion entirely?
No?
Then I don't get my way, and you don't get your way. As was intended from the start.
Besides, everyone knows Hinduism is the only real religion.
Goes does not exist, therefore he gave me nothing.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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What is it men cannot be made to believe!
-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)
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Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
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Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
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I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
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I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789
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They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.
-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800
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Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
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The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
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Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814
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If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816
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My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816
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You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819
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As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
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To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820
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Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind.
-Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822.
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I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
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And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
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It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825
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May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)
Do YOU understand that the only way to save America is to destroy religion entirely?
No?
Then I don't get my way, and you don't get your way. As was intended from the start.
Besides, everyone knows Hinduism is the only real religion.
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The problem I see with mixing religion with the government.
It is already there every politician plays the, I love God my family and my country car all the time. How many Senator, Governor, Mayor use this as a campaign speech. That there morals are the bible. But down the road (not all) they get caught extramarital affairs, homosexuality ( I am not the bit homophobic, but if you have your family on the left of you on the campaign stage, but behind closed doors you are breaking your marital vows ) Then being on the forefront of anti-gay campaign. The problem is people pick and choose what they want to believe in from the bible.
Then you start throwing in which religion is the one that needs to follow. Which religion has better morals. Each religion in this great nation of ours is different. Which one is right which one is wrong. Which should we follow which should we banish because they dont follow our religion. The way I see it is we are just screwed no matter what religion you are.
It is already there every politician plays the, I love God my family and my country car all the time. How many Senator, Governor, Mayor use this as a campaign speech. That there morals are the bible. But down the road (not all) they get caught extramarital affairs, homosexuality ( I am not the bit homophobic, but if you have your family on the left of you on the campaign stage, but behind closed doors you are breaking your marital vows ) Then being on the forefront of anti-gay campaign. The problem is people pick and choose what they want to believe in from the bible.
Then you start throwing in which religion is the one that needs to follow. Which religion has better morals. Each religion in this great nation of ours is different. Which one is right which one is wrong. Which should we follow which should we banish because they dont follow our religion. The way I see it is we are just screwed no matter what religion you are.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
CPT Jason Torpy I am not wishing for religion in government, but religion in the people serving in government, and not so they can force their beliefs on you, but so that knowing they have to answer to God they will Execute their offices with integrity and honor. The basic core question is what do we need to do to have a government that serves the people and respect their desires, and how can America not only survive but thrive and return to her former glory. So, while we all might differ on how to get there, the goal is a worthy one!
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PO2 David Reilly
@ PO1 Steven Kuhn Again, why does it have to be your interpretation of what or who God is? On a different point, why should they have to wait until they meet God before they answer to someone? Shouldn't they answer to the population they are supposed to be representing? That would, of course, entail having an educated electorate with no particular political bias, be it liberal or conservative.
I agree that our politicians need to be more moral, but to elect moral politicians takes moral and even more importantly AWAKE voting public.
My sister and aunt wanted to vote for Hillary Clinton in the last election for President. Not because of her stand on issues, not because of her moral character, but because she was a woman and a Democrat. There was no attempt on either of their parts to use their intellect to decide who would actually be a better President, but a visceral desire to put someone who looked like them on the "throne". This is one of the biggest problems that we have in politics and it couldn't be cured by religion. Only by education and a following of reason can we actually get politicians that might truly represent us.
Essentially, the fault is not in the politicians alone, but in the people that put them there. Until we can fix that, our political system will continue to be corrupt and dishonest and continue to ignore the people.
How often have you heard someone complain about what Congress is doing, or the President, but then say, "well at least it isn't MY Senator or MY Representative that is the problem"? If each state has Senators and Representatives that are "not the problem", but there is a problem, there is a major logical disconnect, is there not? If Congress is doing so badly, why do we continue to re-elect the same people over and over again?
"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character." - Albert Einstein
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein
I bet everyone was expecting "the definition of insanity..." quote to be here somewhere, but there is no evidence that Albert Einstein ever said any such thing, so I don't include it.
I agree that our politicians need to be more moral, but to elect moral politicians takes moral and even more importantly AWAKE voting public.
My sister and aunt wanted to vote for Hillary Clinton in the last election for President. Not because of her stand on issues, not because of her moral character, but because she was a woman and a Democrat. There was no attempt on either of their parts to use their intellect to decide who would actually be a better President, but a visceral desire to put someone who looked like them on the "throne". This is one of the biggest problems that we have in politics and it couldn't be cured by religion. Only by education and a following of reason can we actually get politicians that might truly represent us.
Essentially, the fault is not in the politicians alone, but in the people that put them there. Until we can fix that, our political system will continue to be corrupt and dishonest and continue to ignore the people.
How often have you heard someone complain about what Congress is doing, or the President, but then say, "well at least it isn't MY Senator or MY Representative that is the problem"? If each state has Senators and Representatives that are "not the problem", but there is a problem, there is a major logical disconnect, is there not? If Congress is doing so badly, why do we continue to re-elect the same people over and over again?
"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character." - Albert Einstein
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein
I bet everyone was expecting "the definition of insanity..." quote to be here somewhere, but there is no evidence that Albert Einstein ever said any such thing, so I don't include it.
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PO2 David Reilly
@PO1 Jose Ramon I passed and was selected to PO1, but was on "medical hold" at the time, so never got the rank. My next step was going to be LDO or Warrant program, but again, never got the chance at either of them. Ended up being "drawn down" by Clinton's reductions and was discharged in 1995 on St. Patrick's Day. I would still be there if I had a choice in the matter and my body hadn't started to fall apart.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
I will admit it is my opinion, but I used facts obtained from American History! You can check for yourself and find out whether the facts I have presented in all posts related to this are true or not.
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There are so many examples of why you don't mix religion and politics, I cannot think of a single one where it worked well. To be as direct as possible, with the horrid education system right now, it would lead to extremist ideals and be another failed example. Don't see it? Snorting condoms, eating TIDE pods, vaping, AOC, "amen and awomen", etc... If society thinks the same people that believe in the previously mentioned items can intelligently wade through every religion and its incorporation into government, they have not an understanding of history. If you select a specific religion as a representation of this country, you are criminalizing every other religion. If you do all religions, you are creating insurrection due to disagreement or lack of equality. People individually can be smart, humans as a group are remedial at best.
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Of course, Politics and Religions have mixed in many cultures forever. In Western Europe the Late Roman Empire and Eastern portion of the Empire once it split, as well as many other States used the Catholic Church as the way to help bring order. In many cases, the Bishops of the certain areas also served as Prince of certain Cities due the fact that church itself were the largest land holders at the time. When we speak of One World Government or One World Religion that the Roman Catholic Church may not have been an originator in either idea, but they have in since when they became the Official Church of the Roman Empire, that the Pope of Roman Catholic Church has had that as their overall goal. Much like, many Jews and Muslims believe their Religion should be the only Religion practice on Earth. Regardless that Roman Catholic Church isn't the only Christian Church out there, and that Muslim and Jews religions are closely related.
Religion believes have always been based for law. All one has to do is look at the Ten Commandants and you will see that they are currently in our current law system. No it shouldn't matter which religion a person practice when it come in regards when they are in politics. If they are good person and moral standing, they will not waver from their ethics. On the other hand, if they haven't been brought up in environment where they were taught the difference from right and wrong. Well then we get politicians that we get today, who see no difference on playing both sides, who continue to let the poor and middle class to suffer. While the Rich get richer, and conduct their unethical business practices.
Like I said, I have seen some people who call themselves "Good Christians", but because they had to live under suppressed government in Iraq for years, their moral and ethic base had been compromise. Yes, at one time, they were very good people, and they do try to do the right thing. Yet, at the end of the day, all that matter is they make quick buck, at the expense of people, off of many who don't have the extra money to spare. In Iraq, yeah they were praying off the Iraqi elite, who surrounded Saddam, while here they are largely praying off the Middle Class who aren't getting further behind every year. Pulling tricks, by advertising rooms at a low rate, and then having only 4 rooms for that rate, while we 30 other rooms that were all the same, but we weren't suppose to sell them for that rate. Which being illegal, is unethical, and not very Christian like.
So no just because the politician happens to be Christian, is no indication that he may have the same believe system that you have, will have the same values you have, when it comes to voting for laws that you are passionate about. That is almost as silly as voting style as voting for person because they are Republican or they are Democrat. There is reason why we as citizens and voters are held responsible to know who we are voting before we go to the voting booth. Just saying.
Religion believes have always been based for law. All one has to do is look at the Ten Commandants and you will see that they are currently in our current law system. No it shouldn't matter which religion a person practice when it come in regards when they are in politics. If they are good person and moral standing, they will not waver from their ethics. On the other hand, if they haven't been brought up in environment where they were taught the difference from right and wrong. Well then we get politicians that we get today, who see no difference on playing both sides, who continue to let the poor and middle class to suffer. While the Rich get richer, and conduct their unethical business practices.
Like I said, I have seen some people who call themselves "Good Christians", but because they had to live under suppressed government in Iraq for years, their moral and ethic base had been compromise. Yes, at one time, they were very good people, and they do try to do the right thing. Yet, at the end of the day, all that matter is they make quick buck, at the expense of people, off of many who don't have the extra money to spare. In Iraq, yeah they were praying off the Iraqi elite, who surrounded Saddam, while here they are largely praying off the Middle Class who aren't getting further behind every year. Pulling tricks, by advertising rooms at a low rate, and then having only 4 rooms for that rate, while we 30 other rooms that were all the same, but we weren't suppose to sell them for that rate. Which being illegal, is unethical, and not very Christian like.
So no just because the politician happens to be Christian, is no indication that he may have the same believe system that you have, will have the same values you have, when it comes to voting for laws that you are passionate about. That is almost as silly as voting style as voting for person because they are Republican or they are Democrat. There is reason why we as citizens and voters are held responsible to know who we are voting before we go to the voting booth. Just saying.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
PV2 Abbott Shaull while I agree with much of what you have said, I still firmly believe that those people claiming to be Christian (or any other religion) violate their belief system for the sake of money then they make money their god. People who choose to follow the Commandments and live by the moral code as set forth in the Bible offer their lives as a daily living sacrifice. Leaders who realize that they will have to answer to God (or a higher Power if you prefer) will lead and do what is right instead of what is best for them to make money. You cannot serve God and mammon (money)!
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
Sgt Kirk Maple Zeus is a false god, and when the time comes I hope you have come to a saving knowledge of the Lord. Eternity is a long time to burn......
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Sgt Kirk Maple
THE earth wrote THE book, in it's crust NOT "the god" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hhhd5w-520
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How many gods does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
depends on which nut job u talk to........
depends on which nut job u talk to........
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"Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" -US Constitution
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. -Thomas Jefferson
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries" -Treaty of Tripoli
I think a better study is needed here. The first amendment has nothing to do with the separation of the church and state. It was one of the founding fathers that said it.
It was Thomas Jefferson, who was the principal author of the Declaration of Independence. He advocated for the separation more than anyone else. He knew what it could do to a nation. He even rewrote the bible. You may want to look up the "Jefferson Bible."
He was Deist. Many of he founding fathers were. It is not widely understood and many are labeled Christians, as was Jefferson. He did go to church and prayed. But he understand the role that God played.
He also wrote.
“Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions any more than our opinions in physics or geometry...”
"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
― Thomas Jefferson
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. -Thomas Jefferson
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries" -Treaty of Tripoli
I think a better study is needed here. The first amendment has nothing to do with the separation of the church and state. It was one of the founding fathers that said it.
It was Thomas Jefferson, who was the principal author of the Declaration of Independence. He advocated for the separation more than anyone else. He knew what it could do to a nation. He even rewrote the bible. You may want to look up the "Jefferson Bible."
He was Deist. Many of he founding fathers were. It is not widely understood and many are labeled Christians, as was Jefferson. He did go to church and prayed. But he understand the role that God played.
He also wrote.
“Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions any more than our opinions in physics or geometry...”
"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
― Thomas Jefferson
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
If you do a study on the Treaty of Tripoli they were dealing with radical Islam and had no real maritime power so they worded the treaty the way they did so that a religious war would not ensue or continue. America was founded on Christian principles by men of Christian faith and that is why God is referenced multiple times in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.
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Capt Gregory Prickett and CPO William Hughes whilke it is in your power and right to downvote me, I would appreciate an explanation that backs up your differing point of view. I believe that downvoting is edifying only when accompanied with an explanation; otherwise it is either laziness or cowardice to not provide an explanation (in my humble opinion). Please do not think that I am calling you both lazy or cowardly as you have served our country and have my respect. I am asking for an explanation for the downvotes as only then will I learn something from your responses.
Respectfully,
Steve
Respectfully,
Steve
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