Posted on May 14, 2016
Do you think it's smart for the SecDef to allow Transgender individuals to serve in the military?
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The military has always made service members that required extensive medical treatment Non-deployable. Now the SecDef and CinC want to allow individuals that require extensive medical & psych treatment to serve. How is this different that allowing diabetics to serve or people that are overweight? If a transgender does not get his hormones, they can become a detriment in Combat. Is it worth it?
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I wonder how many, like me, have no way to respond to this. With all of the problems confronting us, we have decided to focus on this one. The simple truth is that you can chop off your pecker, grow breasts, have a womb implanted, grow your hair longer, and whatever and you're still a man who chopped off his pecker, grown breast, had a womb implanted, grown longer hair, and whatever. I could make another list for women with the same result. How can I say such a thing? Am I a Neanderthal? Am I a bigot? Hell no. The simple truth is that one can make whatever changes they want but still cannot change their basic nature because they cannot change their genes. Either they have a "XX" or "XY" chromosomes or they don't. And no amount of social engineering is going to change it either. Every man and woman has to learn to live in their own skins. Accept who and what they are. If they are trapped in the wrong body, understand that almost everyone else feels they're equally trapped. Hell, I'm a handsome young man trapped in a flabby old man's body. I suspect that may be as difficult to alter as a transgender. Also, to be perfectly honest, I'm not clear on the difference between transgender and homosexuality. No, you needn't bother to explain it, not for my benefit. Just understand that we have learned (or, at least, most of us have learned) to live with homosexuals among us without social engineering (like altering bathroom rules). Why are we now imploding as we struggle to change our world for the benefit of a number that seems even rarer than homosexuals? The bottom line is that I don't care about any person's sexuality, nationality, gender, ethnicity, religion, ideological preference, or whatever other than my own. Yours is simply not my business. Please don't try to make it my business.
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Capt Michael Greene
Jack, thanks for making me research. I like to learn. The presence of an X isn't the last word. Turns out we’re all conceived to be females, and then certain chemicals in the fetal brain can change the physical and psychological parts of the person to male (or stay female). The psychology of M/F is also changed by environmental nurturing, but the strongest effect on behavior is nature after conception and before birth.
You and I were taught classical genetics, but science has progressed. They don’t understand it all yet, but there is definitely something going on in the fetal brain that produces a certain percentage of boy bodies with girl behaviors, and vice versa.
Been fun chatting with you
You and I were taught classical genetics, but science has progressed. They don’t understand it all yet, but there is definitely something going on in the fetal brain that produces a certain percentage of boy bodies with girl behaviors, and vice versa.
Been fun chatting with you
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CPT Jack Durish
Capt Michael Greene - You're saying that your sexuality, gender, nationality, ethnicity, etc is my business?
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CPT Jack Durish
Capt Michael Greene - Interesting research. Still, what business is it of mine? You are what you are and ...
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I have been doing my job as an infantry NCO while in the process of transition for over a year now. For parts of it my medical costs came out of my pocket and for parts they were covered by Tricare. I have never been non deplorable and have done an NTC rotation while on my medications. My transgender care has not caused me to miss out on any critical training events.
I am not alone. Many service members have served and even deployed while undergoing transgender medical care.
Studies have been done through the DOD and several 3rd party organizations on everything from the effects on readiness to the costs over the last 10 months and the consensus has come back that there will be no effect on readiness and that this course of action is not only feasible but preferable.
We all hate change and many are from an ideology which does not understand transgender people. There will initially be a resistance but ultimately we are service members. People will do their jobs and roger out. And a year later we will all wonder what the big fuss was about.
As for if these treatments should be done. Why don't we leave that to medical professionals to decide and all stay in our perspective lanes. I am an infantry soldier so I will worry about closing with and destroying the enemy. Yep, girls can do that too.
I am not alone. Many service members have served and even deployed while undergoing transgender medical care.
Studies have been done through the DOD and several 3rd party organizations on everything from the effects on readiness to the costs over the last 10 months and the consensus has come back that there will be no effect on readiness and that this course of action is not only feasible but preferable.
We all hate change and many are from an ideology which does not understand transgender people. There will initially be a resistance but ultimately we are service members. People will do their jobs and roger out. And a year later we will all wonder what the big fuss was about.
As for if these treatments should be done. Why don't we leave that to medical professionals to decide and all stay in our perspective lanes. I am an infantry soldier so I will worry about closing with and destroying the enemy. Yep, girls can do that too.
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SSG Patricia King
CPT Mark Gonzalez - Ideally all IET service members come in not needing to take medications. Having said that there are exceptions. HRT medications can be discontinued and in some circumstances must be. Often people will stop taking them for a month before surgeries or for up to three months to aid in fertility for those hoping to conceive a child. While it wouldn't be my preference there is an argument to say that an IET candidate must discontinue HRT meds during basic training. I think it's more likely that they will be able to maintain their meds in the same way that a woman can continue birth control during IET. Time will tell.
I agree that deployability must be the standard. Having been deplorable the entire time I've been in transition I can't imagine that it will be an issue.
I agree that deployability must be the standard. Having been deplorable the entire time I've been in transition I can't imagine that it will be an issue.
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
SSG Patricia King - That means a lot from my view point. The overall familiarity is low, as most people don't even know a TG person, but to me saying you are deployable gives your opinion a lot of weight compared to someone who is not.
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SSG Patricia King
SFC James Wright - We have had a ton of opportunity to look at how morale is effected by this. I am fairly public and as a result sensing sessions have been held without me and with soldiers in my unit. Over all the responses have been positive although some were not.
Many responses were more toward a lack of guidance from above.
More importantly, this is not a business of feelings. It doesn't matter if people like that I'm trans or that someone is gay or that someone is Muslim or that they are a Yankees fan. What matters is my ability to do my job. My performance has been solid both before and since my transition. Many of my peers have said that what matters is not if I wear a bra but how I do my job. We are a melting pot inside a melting pot. You will encounter people from all walks of life and need to be able to work with them regardless of your feelings. I would hope that any soldier in my formation would follow my orders and do their job regardless of how they feel about my gender. And any that can't don't belong in my formation.
Many responses were more toward a lack of guidance from above.
More importantly, this is not a business of feelings. It doesn't matter if people like that I'm trans or that someone is gay or that someone is Muslim or that they are a Yankees fan. What matters is my ability to do my job. My performance has been solid both before and since my transition. Many of my peers have said that what matters is not if I wear a bra but how I do my job. We are a melting pot inside a melting pot. You will encounter people from all walks of life and need to be able to work with them regardless of your feelings. I would hope that any soldier in my formation would follow my orders and do their job regardless of how they feel about my gender. And any that can't don't belong in my formation.
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
SFC James Wright - I would say on this issue it isn't the individuals formation or the commanders anymore. It is the presidents formations and the appointees formations. We are being told how we feel about this issue as they say what is best for the Army. As a Soldier if you don't like it, too bad. I say this not as a criticism, but because it is true. Nothing else matters if this issue is involved. Ability to do your job, good order and discipline, etc are all secondary. This is a massive trump card and good luck if you feel differently.
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You mean to Openly Serve for the First Time. The More I'm Learning the More I'm realizing that they were there the whole time. Uncomfortably Too. While a Small Population of Americans as a Whole I am surprised at the Number of Military Lifers there are among them. Brave SOBs in my book and they have my support.
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SSgt Nicole Biscoe
Thank you PO1 Nagel!! I tried my best to stick it out myself but got out after 12 years. Doing well now tho :)
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
CW2 Lindsey Muller - My Pleasure Chief. I don't know that you want to talk to us Peons after getting your name in Print though. I thought it was Awesome.
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