Posted on Jul 10, 2016
Do you personally know a police officer who arrested someone because of race? If so, what happened?
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Curious if anyone has witnessed race being the primary reason someone was unjustly detained or arrested. I have witnessed people getting arrested in many situations, but typically it involves the person breaking the law and then doubling down by being disrespectful and in general a jerk.
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I live on a Federal Reserve (Indian Reservation). The majority of people here are indigenous, to include myself. This means the majority of people I arrest are Natives. Because I have a light complexion and light colored eyes, I have been called a "white boy", a "blue-eyed b*tch", etc. Even though I am also aboriginal. Many people assume that they are being arrested by a "white" cop who is arresting them because they are Indians (some of whom are lighter in complexion than I am). It is easy to play the race card when you are in trouble with the law. However, when I let people off, it's never because of the color of their skin or mine. In their eyes, it's only when they are in trouble. I have never witnessed any officers here arrest someone based on race. Our officers are white and Indian, and all have a commitment to serving and protecting, which means arresting dangers to the public.
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I never arrested anyone based on race and neither did anyone else I worked with. However just as Sgt Pesz stated at least 90% did claim it was for race and not the crime they committed.
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The question itself is absurd. It assumes that race is regulated by a statute. A violation of law must occur for an areest. You might ask if you know some who was stopped because of their race, but that is a question of perception. This conversation will boil down to 2 sides pro BLM vs pro LE. We as a nation need to stop dividing ourselves into special groups and start finding commonalities that make us Americans.
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TSgt Craig Crews
Do you really believe that it never happens? If so that is very sad. That is most of the problem, if you don't believe that there even might be a problem then you are calling all the blacks folks in America liars who have been unjustly stopped or detained or even killed...
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SPC Michael Griggs
TSgt Craig Crews - I'm not saying it never happens. I'm saying that the majority of the instances brought up by the media are not always are they are portrayed. I also believe that there are police who tarnish their badge and should have never been given the badge.
Believe it or not, cops are very critical of each other. Those who are caught are fired and our prosecuted.
The issue is people need to comply with orders, then deal with any unlawful action via litigation. Resisting on the spot will only lead to a violent outcome. There is a time and a place, and on the street in an uncontrolled environment is not it.
Believe it or not, cops are very critical of each other. Those who are caught are fired and our prosecuted.
The issue is people need to comply with orders, then deal with any unlawful action via litigation. Resisting on the spot will only lead to a violent outcome. There is a time and a place, and on the street in an uncontrolled environment is not it.
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Someone cannot be arrested "because of their race". They CAN however, be detained (an investigative stop or "Terry" stop) for fitting the physical description of a suspect.
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TSgt (Join to see)
You do realize that even if someone does fit the description of a suspect, an officer still has to have probable cause to place that person under arrest. Fitting a physical description by itself is only reasonable suspicion (grounds for a Terry stop but not an arrest). It is during the Terry stop that the officer will either find probable cause and arrest the person, or not find probable cause and release the person. You probably need to get a book and read up on what these very important legal terms are and what they actually mean. You sound like you don't really understand any of it.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
TSgt (Join to see) - No thats not completely true. If I see someone fitting a felony description and upon stopping them I believe it is most likely them and no evidence to show its not them, I may make the arrest. That is assuming a few other issues like they have no identification on them or they do but it looks fake, etc....
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TSgt (Join to see)
Maybe some people understand facts and actual legal terms and don't just speak from emotion. Seriously...you need to understand what "reasonable suspicion" is. What "probable cause" is. What a "Terry stop" is (Terry vs. Ohio). You realize everyone who is arrested (that doesn't violently resist) gets a day in court. The officer has to be there too. You actually think the officer can get away with "But your honor, he's black" and the charges will stick? They have to prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt"...another term you don't understand.
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TSgt (Join to see)
That doesn't make sense. If during the Terry stop you discover NEW probable cause of a NEW crime, unrelated to what the original stop was for, it's still a valid arrest.
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No I don't and in all my dealings with police I find the idea not only ridiculous, but offensive as well.
Where to begin... there was the police officer who arrested my crackhead neighbor for repeatedly trying to break into my house because he was so strung out. For the record, the crackhead was white.
Then there was the police officer who gave me his lunch when I was living on the streets. He even hung around and talked to me for a couple minutes while I ate.
Then there was the police officer who saw me walking with a gas can because I ran out of gas and he picked me up and gave me a ride back and forth. Yes, he did frisk me to make sure I wouldn't present a danger to him and I did sit in the back seat.
Then there was the time I was without a vehicle and had to walk to work. It started down pouring and a police officer stopped and gave me a ride the rest of the way.
Then there's the police that patrol my neighborhood during Halloween to make sure kids are safe and they even set up checkpoints where parents can bring candy to get screened for safety.
Then there's the police that protect my medic family from violent patients.
All of these things happened in different states, different neighborhoods, different officers, different races. I have seen more good come from police in my 33 years that goes completely unreported than the sensationalized stories the media comes up with to divide our Country further.
Where to begin... there was the police officer who arrested my crackhead neighbor for repeatedly trying to break into my house because he was so strung out. For the record, the crackhead was white.
Then there was the police officer who gave me his lunch when I was living on the streets. He even hung around and talked to me for a couple minutes while I ate.
Then there was the police officer who saw me walking with a gas can because I ran out of gas and he picked me up and gave me a ride back and forth. Yes, he did frisk me to make sure I wouldn't present a danger to him and I did sit in the back seat.
Then there was the time I was without a vehicle and had to walk to work. It started down pouring and a police officer stopped and gave me a ride the rest of the way.
Then there's the police that patrol my neighborhood during Halloween to make sure kids are safe and they even set up checkpoints where parents can bring candy to get screened for safety.
Then there's the police that protect my medic family from violent patients.
All of these things happened in different states, different neighborhoods, different officers, different races. I have seen more good come from police in my 33 years that goes completely unreported than the sensationalized stories the media comes up with to divide our Country further.
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My son is a police officer and has arrested people of a different ethnicity. He even had to break a window to "drag" suspect woman out of the car. He had a body camera on a volume turned up, he did every thing by the book, and the woman was arrested and went to jail. She refused to roll down her window or follow his orders (requests).
I do not understand, who told some people that they should be uncooperative or rude or down right ugly with their language and gestures. The police officers I know follow their ROE, it's the suspects that escalate some of the situations and the officer can also escalate, but I don't know of any.
I do not understand, who told some people that they should be uncooperative or rude or down right ugly with their language and gestures. The police officers I know follow their ROE, it's the suspects that escalate some of the situations and the officer can also escalate, but I don't know of any.
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Most LEOs have a unique personality trait. That is because they have to convey an "I am in charge" persona, because anything else would lead to a bad result. I have met quite a few, and if you are not in the brotherhood, you are not in the inner circle. Even if a relative. That being said, if I had an emergency, I know they would come to the rescue without reservation to family, friends or any other factor. There is a reason 50 of them lose their lives each year, none of which were from being shot in the back.
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CWO2 Richard Rose
Unfortunately, over time many officers become cynical from many of the things they deal with. I always worked by the Golden Rule and to be respectful of any contact I had. Now, if the party is belligerent and goes to the gutter, I would go into the gutter with him and the encounter ends up badly for him. I never used anymore force than was necessary to make the arrest. What many folks do not understand or care about is that the responding officer may have just worked an accident where a family died due to a drunk driver. Or maybe had just told a man's wife that her husband died in an accident. Been there, done that. I am/was and old school police officer. I would get my butt out of my patrol unit and visit with folks in the town square and business owners. That pays huge dividends. More than once I was in a fight with more than one and people jumped in and assisted me. I do hate the "Us vs. Them" mentality. Community Policing should be mandatory.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
CWO2 Richard Rose - I completely agree 100%. Furthermore I would add that those that say "your not black so you wouldn't understand", well, to them, "your not a cop so you don't understand what we go through everyday".
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I know or have known several police officers personally. I know of no one being arrested because of race.
If they did what would be the charge?
Perhaps there is some officers who are more likely to stop or arrest a black, but, I don't know of any.
If they did what would be the charge?
Perhaps there is some officers who are more likely to stop or arrest a black, but, I don't know of any.
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No, I don't personally know any officers like that. I know it does happen and I have been the victim of being racially profiled. It happened to me back in 2010. I was driving a friend home in my 2009 Dodge Avenger that I just got. Two police officers stopped us for no reason, we didn't break any laws. One came up on the driver's side and the other on the passenger's side, both with their hands on their pistols. I gave them my license, registration, insurance, Veteran's ID and even gave them the finance contract on the car. I let them run through their whole check without question. Then when they came back to the car, I asked them why we were stopped. I got the whole "your car and you two fit the description" jazz. So, I just told the officer to relay what they're looking for so if I see the people I could notify the police immediately. Needless to say they stumbled when I said this and didn't really have anything to say. My car didn't fit the description, my friend and I didn't meet the description. They saw a two Black men driving in a New Car with a paper tag and assumed that we either stole it or we was breaking the law in some way. They ended up getting shut down when I called them on their bluff.
I know a lot of good cops out there who don't racially profile people. I've met many and have hung out with them. Though I know there are cops out there who don't racially profile people, I know there are some that do. They are not going to say it or admit to it but they do. I've had few negative experiences with police and many positive ones, to that I say I am lucky. More than likely someone who's a police officer that has served in the military, won't be the type of police officer that racially profiles people because the military, especially these days are more diverse but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
I know a lot of good cops out there who don't racially profile people. I've met many and have hung out with them. Though I know there are cops out there who don't racially profile people, I know there are some that do. They are not going to say it or admit to it but they do. I've had few negative experiences with police and many positive ones, to that I say I am lucky. More than likely someone who's a police officer that has served in the military, won't be the type of police officer that racially profiles people because the military, especially these days are more diverse but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
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I'm the son of a police officer. I grew up with police officers coming by our house all the time. I can tell you that many of the African American Police Officers have had to endure the racism of the "N"word and other despicable instances from their fellow officers. So, when you asked have I ever witness racism by the police, the answer is an very loud YES!
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CPT (Join to see)
That is unfortunate. I have friends of every race and background serving as policeman. They are awesome, but I have seen (first responder) and witnessed the daily challenges they deal with.
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Sgt Jay Jones
PO1 John Crafton - Please don't try to downplay my experiences. They are what they are. We both know there is a lot of discretion given to police officers if they want to take some to jail or let them go. So, yes, I personally know of police officers who have taken someone to jail because of their race.
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