Posted on Nov 8, 2014
Can some ribbon racks be over the top, or is more always better?
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My brother retired from the Air Force. I think he has all of those same ribbons on the bottom five rows that he got in Air Force recruit training. I know that's an exaggeration but, seriously, if I remember correctly, he got two or three ribbons just for getting through Air Force recruit training. My other brother, who is a retired Marine Corps colonel, and I still give him a hard time about it. But, hey, that's what brothers are for. ;)
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
Cpl Mark McMiller. here is a video of the M4 qualification course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ0BxoZImDo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ0BxoZImDo
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Part of the issue is the Air Force just has has too many individual and unit awards. Many of them are awarded for right place, right time, and require no more than just showing up for work to qualify for. On that Command Chief's uniform are about 14 ribbons that don't exist in any of the other armed services. By don't exist I mean that none of the other services have an award for what the AF awards theirs for. There are two Army awards on his uniform as well. Take those awards away and that rack starts to look a lot more like other senior NCO racks I'm used to seeing.
I'm not knocking anyone's career choice or their achievements. All I'm saying is the AF lays it on a little thick.
I'm not knocking anyone's career choice or their achievements. All I'm saying is the AF lays it on a little thick.
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Here is the BLUF....HALF of his ribbon rack has to do with leadership.
Picture this.... If I had a ribbon for every MCI or non-participatory school... I would have ribbons over my shoulder.
I already have 25 ribbons on my rack...so I am quite stacked....but over 25 years....yes....I would not expect anything less. Some have stars and some have oak clusters....but beside the point... I have zero logic to pass on.
I do know that after review....that the lower half of these ribbons are for (marksmanship, leadership, being present to formation, and just basic air force attendance). So if we really tally what this dude really has...he is only wearing a tiny portion of what is earned versus what a serviceman is required to do on a daily basis.
As a former United States Marine...I think that there is a distinct line between what you do as it is required of you versus what is above and beyond your rank and file.
Overall.,,, I don't agree with the USAF awards process...but...it is a sister service and well...they need something to feel good about...because they are the...'everyone gets a trophy' service component.
Picture this.... If I had a ribbon for every MCI or non-participatory school... I would have ribbons over my shoulder.
I already have 25 ribbons on my rack...so I am quite stacked....but over 25 years....yes....I would not expect anything less. Some have stars and some have oak clusters....but beside the point... I have zero logic to pass on.
I do know that after review....that the lower half of these ribbons are for (marksmanship, leadership, being present to formation, and just basic air force attendance). So if we really tally what this dude really has...he is only wearing a tiny portion of what is earned versus what a serviceman is required to do on a daily basis.
As a former United States Marine...I think that there is a distinct line between what you do as it is required of you versus what is above and beyond your rank and file.
Overall.,,, I don't agree with the USAF awards process...but...it is a sister service and well...they need something to feel good about...because they are the...'everyone gets a trophy' service component.
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I'm sure there is a time and place for the full rack. The Service Dress Jacket is a good choice, but for day to day Airman have the option to wear all some or none on their duty uniform. when I would wear Class B blues, (shirt and pant) I only wore medals ribbons in which were awarded in citation. At some bases the Wing Commander allowed wear of name tag and qualification badge only if desired.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
MSgt John McDowell, shortly after you retired Big Blue changed the rules and dropped the "some" option from both the service and service dress uniforms. It is now "all" on service dress and "all or none" on the service uniform. In face the only required items on the service uniform is the nametag, rank, and aero, space, cyber wings and chaplain badge.
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Do not expect a single ounce or morsel of respect for wearing a half assed uniform while on duty or off duty... As a former NCO..... I wear my awards because that is the way they are supposed to be worn on a military uniform.
I don't give three shits what some air force academy or West Point General say. Be professional and always wear your awards to represent yourself as a valid and honorable member of the US military.
Generals and senior Enlisted leaders who advise otherwise....well...they are just lazy turds who deserve only the respect of the rank...but not as the person wearing it.
I don't give three shits what some air force academy or West Point General say. Be professional and always wear your awards to represent yourself as a valid and honorable member of the US military.
Generals and senior Enlisted leaders who advise otherwise....well...they are just lazy turds who deserve only the respect of the rank...but not as the person wearing it.
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It looks as if this is an official photo for his OMPF. I think for that purpose, wearing all authorized ribbons, badges, and other devices is appropriate. This is the photo that will be seen by the promotion board. If day-to-day duties require the wear of a dress uniform, however, it may be best to go with a less. Not for the sake of appearance, but simply for the sake of being functional. Those ribbons aren't cheap and that's an awful lot of surface area to get caught on something.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
CW3 (Join to see) all ribbons are required by AF regs. There is no option to wear only some.
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Wasn't aware that it was a requirement in the USAF. I definitely never heard of it being a requirement in the Army. We can wear the minimum, if we choose. Sorry to hear that, guys. Must cost a fortune!
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Chief.. Either you go hard or go home.... Enuff with the " I didn't know" crap. Be a consummate professional or get out. And leave the profession to professionals.
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Ribbons and medals are all fine and good... Speaking to my specific branch you receive a ribbon for many things that are not needed such as.... BMT completion.... Obviously you made it your in, PME ribbon, well if you hold a rank you must have the proper PME to sew on, longevity ribbon no idea why we have that.... Short and long your overseas..... Why?
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I have more than that guy, I had to have a special chef hat made so I could wear them around on Halloween...
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