Posted on Sep 9, 2014
As a society are we doing enough to fight domestic violence?
4.76K
26
25
4
4
0
After the new video clip of a football player hitting his then fiancée the Baltimore Ravens let him go. He was previously suspended by the league for two games for an earlier video. He is not indefinitely suspended. Do you think that it is because of the video and the public outcry from it that made the team and the league take a harder stance? Or do you think that they are getting a wake up call of what domestic violence really is and that there is no place for it at all?
Are we doing enough as a society to stop domestic violence? Are we doing enough within our military community?
Are we doing enough as a society to stop domestic violence? Are we doing enough within our military community?
Posted in these groups: 
Domestic Violence
Domestic Violence
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 10
2
2
0
I want to see us move more towards an "Escape From New York" penal system. IMHO, I don't believe in this criminal registration thing - sex offenders, etc. While it ostracizes these criminals it doesn't get them out of society all together.
(2)
(0)
MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
Yes MSG Wade Huffman I think we should. I don't have all the answers obviously, O-4s are not authorized to envision - that's O-5 and above land. When you look at the expense of running prisons and the fact they get better treatment than vets, it does make one wonder. We could also look at the concept from that new Stallone movie about the oil tanker turned prison in international waters.
(0)
(0)
MSG Wade Huffman
I hear what you're saying, and I'm not opposed in the least, but given the current state of society, the current number of inmates housed in prisons, the numbers released early due to overcrowding, etc.. it would take a HELL of a lot of converted oil tankers!
Perhaps these could be the first to attempt to colonize Antarctica!
Perhaps these could be the first to attempt to colonize Antarctica!
(1)
(0)
MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
OK now we're tracking MSG Wade Huffman. I always felt these guys needed to be given the cold shoulder. Damn, I so couldn't resist :-)
(1)
(0)
MSG Wade Huffman
Ba doom boom! Very punny, Sir! lol! Couldn't think of any other location to place it that wouldn't draw the ire of the local residents, although we may really piss off a lot of penguins!
(0)
(0)
2
2
0
Are we doing enough to fight domestic violence, suicide, bullying, rape, sexual harassment, teen pregnancy, alcoholism, drug abuse, STDs, discrimination, poverty, homelessness, hunger, child abuse, gangs, prostitution, crime, the list is nearly endless. We, as a society, and within the military community have taken measures to educate and increase awareness. There are programs in place to deal with victims, there are laws to deal with violators. Could there be more programs, and more, or more stringent laws, sure, but will it END any of these problems that we, as a society in general, face everyday? I don't see how. We live in an age where everything is an issue, and everything is a priority; the issue then becomes when everything is a priority, then nothing is truly a priority. What is the answer? If I knew that, I most certainly would share it with the world. I am just as frustrated as I'm sure the rest of you are. End rant.
(2)
(0)
No. There is something called the Dark Figure of crime. This is a figure of crime that is not reported. DV is often not reported for the fear of losing a love interest or embarrassment. Women should be empowered to control what they are going through. This is a horrible situation to find yourself. The dependence on a man is no reason to excuse any acts of violence.
What is odd is that we all knew that he hit and knocked her out already. That didn't matter really until they saw the act. The act was the same violence regardless of the video. Do we have to have a video to show how heinous the act was.
I recall patrolling one night and finding a young girl crying that was assault. He was obviously injured and suffered substantial facial injuries. But she didn't want to report. She didn't tell me anything but she got hit. I couldn't do anything. I didn't know where she was at or who was there at the time of the incident. She didn't want any LE involvement. I really pity her for the life that she will live will be filled with violence.
What is odd is that we all knew that he hit and knocked her out already. That didn't matter really until they saw the act. The act was the same violence regardless of the video. Do we have to have a video to show how heinous the act was.
I recall patrolling one night and finding a young girl crying that was assault. He was obviously injured and suffered substantial facial injuries. But she didn't want to report. She didn't tell me anything but she got hit. I couldn't do anything. I didn't know where she was at or who was there at the time of the incident. She didn't want any LE involvement. I really pity her for the life that she will live will be filled with violence.
(1)
(0)
0
0
0
In My opinion I believe there are plenty of very visible programs and advertisements to bring to light the need to fight domestic violence (no pun intended) and to advocate against it. In all reality we can lobby all day and put out mass amounts of training/ preventative material and it will still happen. I do understand that the elimination of domestic violence in our society will never happen, but the more we put out there to ensure people are aware of the damage domestic violence causes and the warning signs to prevent it the better. There will always be more we can do. It is our duty as a functional member of society to stand up, help prevent and mentor others on the negative effects of domestic violence to hopefully help someone out there in danger of committing or being a victim of domestic violence.
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
I don't think we do enough to deter any crime to be honest with you Sir. There are no set standards on punishment. If you get ni trouble for one thing you can just plead down and get a lesser punishment. I think it is deplorable that a DA saw this dvideo and allowed Ray Rice to plead down to whatever the charge was and get probation/counseling. It happens all the time and is CRAP.
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
I don't like saying "We're not doing enough to stop..." and you can fill in the blank. You'll never "stop" wrong behavior. This is a controversial opinion, but people are inherently bad. Most of us are decent enough to suppress our urge to be selfish and act wrongly, but there are some who just won't. The best we can do is appropriately punish the latter and hope it discourages others from following in their path.
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
Simply put, as long as domestic violence exists, we as a society are, in fact, NOT doing enough.
Caveat: This does not include giving your children a proper and appropriate spanking when needed.
Caveat: This does not include giving your children a proper and appropriate spanking when needed.
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
MSG Mark Hackett
We only do enough when the public is aware. We are a reactive society and not a proactive active society. The NFL in this case had to know the Young man was abusive to his then Fiancée. Then too punish the young man twice uncalled for from everyone in the league. The NFL thinks they did a great JOB. They really FUMBLED THE BALL. Ray Rice and Janay Rice need HELP!!! before she his killed in his next RAGE!!!
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
First, this was at a hotel and was not domestic violence, but assault and battery, which he was tried for. Second, the public outcry didn't get much done except for the new rule of 6 game suspension for first offense and a ban for second offense. Third, the video is what did Ray Rice in. If that video hadn't come out to the public then he would be playing in week 3. However, the video came out and the Ravens made a decision.
(0)
(0)
Cpl Matthew Wall
Ray Rice was arrested for Simple Assault not domestic abuse. Rice was also indicted by a grand jury on a charge of third-degree aggravated assault. Rice pleaded not guilty to the aggravated assault charge and applied for a pretrial intervention program. He was approved and was not prosecuted.
Nothing in there was about domestice abuse/violence. Also, I can put out a definition of Domestic Violence as well that contradicts yours. "Domestic violence (closely related to domestic abuse, spousal abuse, battering, family violence and intimate partner violence) is a pattern of behavior which involves violence or other abuse by one person against another in a domestic context, such as in marriage or cohabitation. Intimate partner violence is domestic violence against a spouse or other intimate partner."
In that context it would mean they had an "Intimate partner violence".
Nothing in there was about domestice abuse/violence. Also, I can put out a definition of Domestic Violence as well that contradicts yours. "Domestic violence (closely related to domestic abuse, spousal abuse, battering, family violence and intimate partner violence) is a pattern of behavior which involves violence or other abuse by one person against another in a domestic context, such as in marriage or cohabitation. Intimate partner violence is domestic violence against a spouse or other intimate partner."
In that context it would mean they had an "Intimate partner violence".
(0)
(0)
Cpl Matthew Wall
Look we can talk until we are both blue in the face about what it is was or what it wasn't. Either way it was wrong on both their parts. Neither should have been violent towards the other one. They both messed up and they are both paying the price now.
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
Some background information:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/09/sports/football/forget-video-the-facts-are-shocking-enough.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/09/sports/football/forget-video-the-facts-are-shocking-enough.html?_r=0
To save articles or get newsletters, alerts or recommendations – all free.
(0)
(0)
CPT (Join to see)
Yes, sadly, most people who are abused don't have full motion video evidence to support their claims. And, in the military, as in this case, the spouse stands to lose a lot by pressing charges, especially if the abusing spouse is the main (or only) bread-winner.
(1)
(0)
Read This Next
Continue with Facebook 
Continue with Google