Posted on Jul 26, 2015
Are you getting tired of hearing about someone we trained surrendering to insurgents?
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I helped train Afghani Uniform Police (AUP). I also conducted patrols and other police related operations with some of the finest AUPs there were, and I still think that. It is upsetting to hear that 110 AUPs held out for three days against the Taliban and then basically said, "If we can't beat them, we'll join'em". According to the article, these AUPs were well supplied, but they failed to get back up in time. I don't believe that. I believe they gave because they are cowards. I don't know what other reason they would need to give up and join the enemy.
http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-officials-taliban-remote-police-deal-060200146.html
http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-officials-taliban-remote-police-deal-060200146.html
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It doesn't make me mad. Frustrates me because we never understood these people from the get go. They aren't and never will be straight on, face to face direct action warriors. It's just not how they are culturally. Guerrilla tactics, hit and run, skirmish and ambush type warfare? THAT they understand. To expect them to toe the line and fight head on was unrealistic.
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Lt Col Stephen Petzold
Changing affiliations like that has been a part of their culture for a long time.
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We aren't talking affiliations. We are talking their desire to stand and fight. We can train them all we like but the simple fact is, they will never stand for direct confrontation like we were training them to do.
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I also believe we can culturally understand them. IF we set aside our own cultural biases and try to understand why things are in place in this culture and for what reasons they exist rather than just dismissing them as savages and judging them by our cultural mean. We look at things and just say that's fucked up! Based solely on how we are in the states and how our culture is the "right" one. We can illicit real change here if we stop being cultural dictators and start working within their system, through and by their own values and beliefs, and making small adjustments with a lasting impact. We want to help these people but always with our own interests in mind first. We aren't doing this altruistically like we should be. FOR EXAMPLE: and I don't want anyone flipping out here. I'm not attributing my own opinion just an observation. Afghanistan is a sovereign nation. We keep making sure all know that. But many of the program's here were directed at "stop growing opium". Who the fuck are we to tell another country what they should or shouldn't do? It's not "right" we said. Not right to whom??? Are we doing it only because we can't control our own borders and our own people? There is almost nothing in this country useful in international trade. Opium constitutes something like 90% of afghanistans income. So again. Are we saying don't do it for the afghanis or for us? Care to hazard a guess as to what country is the largest importer of opium products from Afghanistan? It's this duplicitous Nature that causes issues.
So yes. A very long winded way of saying we can understand these people culturally. We can make changes and influence hearts and minds. BUT we need to start believing in what we say, acting how we believe and undertaking these things separate from our own biases and our own motives.
Sorry for any typos. Was using my phone.
So yes. A very long winded way of saying we can understand these people culturally. We can make changes and influence hearts and minds. BUT we need to start believing in what we say, acting how we believe and undertaking these things separate from our own biases and our own motives.
Sorry for any typos. Was using my phone.
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SSG (ret) William Martin - It is certainly troubling what is going on in that AOR. One would hope the AUP would continue the fight, but it appears that many do not. I have to assume it is a matter of survival for them. Join or die. It is obvious that they cannot rely on help from the US under the current Administration and, I suppose, they have lost hope. I am not making excuses for them. They should fight to the death, but that stance is easier said than done, especially by someone, like me, who does not have to make that decision for himself. Yes, they are cowards in our eyes.
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