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I have seen a recent trend in some units. The best of the junior lieutenants are choosing to leave the service. In my Squadron alone, the top 3 lieutenants have all dropped a UQR. I of course begin to question if it is some lack in my leadership that is causing this, so I ask the forum...is there a trend? Some of the officers have cited that they joined to go to war and that now that there is no longer a mission, no longer a war to fight, that garrison isn't what they wanted. How do we as an institution pass on the knowledge that a military isn't just for war, and mostly it's for the prevention of war? Or...is this just the natural order of things? Of the LT's in my first Battalion, there are only 3 of us left.
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Sir,

 

I will tell you that officers do not develop officers well enough, and I don't know why that is.

 

It is the job of the PSG to mentor a young lieutenant, and I think many captains take that as "well then I don't have to do anything".

 

Well there are plenty of things that officers do that a senior NCO doesn't do and can't really train on.

 

So what I've seen is a ton of junior officers that become disillusioned with the Army because of it over the years, to include my time as a 1SG in a RSTA SQDN.

 

I see a lot of task task task with very poor guidance. And also a serious lack of real counseling. So what that leads to is a ton of LTs that do things like, say, run a range well (maybe because they are lucky, good at it, or have a good NCOIC) and nothing is said. No guidance, no feedback. But something goes wrong like the BN CDR shows up to the range and thinks it's run poorly, and then the CPT destroys the LT (often in front of other people) even though they never gave guidance either.

 

This is because these same CPTs were in the same boat a few years ago...so they never got proper guidance either. Which leads to I think two trains of thought:

 

1) They know they "suck" at this particular task (because they didn't get guidance), so they have no guidance to give. (these are the bad officers)

 

2) The good officers figured it out on their own with initiative and often feel that if they could do it, this crappy new officer should do it as well.

 

There are few exceptions, like my former CO, that were a blend of both. They didn't get guidance, but they figured it out on their own, so they decided they wouldn't let that happen to their junior officers. Those are the best.

 

Lastly, and this is prevalent amongst all senior ranks - people are afraid to go against the grain. I'm not talking about constantly arguing with your superior, but being afraid to say "sir, this doesn't make sense". And the young officers and NCOs see that, and it irritates them and leads them to either 1) become determined to fix it or 2) just get out.

 

As an example. If your company commander tells you as their SQDN CDR that there are no issues and their company/troop needs no support, they are lying or delusional, or afraid to voice their concerns. I doubt it's the latter, because if it was the latter it would mean you don't care, and if you didn't care, you wouldn't be posting here asking. but either way, people see that. An XO or PL sees that they desperately need this SFC billet filled, or more weapons, or more attachments for their weapon, and then they see the CPT say "nothing new to report sir" or "we're good to go sir, ready to fight".

 

That's just my .02

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Not sure why this computer is formatting my response with no paragraph breaks, I apologize if that makes it too difficult to read.
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All good points, and I have seen that from time to time in my own unit. We have tried like hell to institute meaningful counseling, both on the spot and over time. I think you make some great point though that I will bring up with my troop commanders and my LPD group. Thanks.

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I hope the comments are well received sir!
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SPC Angel Guma
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The Army does a pretty good job at war fighting. I don't think the issues are at all as 'bad' from a true holistic standpoint. But I declined a commission and got out for precisely everything listed here. I did not see the worth to put in more Army time just to meet the fate I saw others go through. At some point, it is what it is, if the organization wants change, it'll happen. Its bizarre how these things work. From my standpoint as junior enlisted- counselings tended to be ways to beat down people you didn't like, or, just sign the dotted line. Very little effort was made in the entire time I was in to mentor anyone. I absolutely saw the same things with young officers, but it was just the same way with all the enlisted folks too, if not worse. I think it behooves people with a desire to win to train people to fight to win, not to fight without knowing what to do just to get bloodied and made an example of (it's just the Army way, Old School). I've never seen this work to build anyone up to be effective leaders and the only thing that happens is that those that survive the process, and don't ETS or leave their commissions end up seeing how this process worked, and they copy it. So exactly how SFC Jones said, what ends up happening is laggards, people without a clue, non-performers, and worse of all toxic leaders see how great the system is to lie about progress or cover up shortcomings while nailing people below them. There are well-meaning people though that stay in, I just didn't see why I would commit my time and energy into a commission just to go through everything I did from E-1 to E-4. We perform well on the battlefield and the whole world sees it, but, sooner or later, we will come in contact with fighters of the mettle of the Russians or Chinese, we have years of experience fighting loosely banded guerrilla fighters, and Saddam's army was a joke both in 1991 and in 2003. With all that said, I still have faith things will get better.
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Sir, I work with a lot of officers applying to top business schools for their MBA. Since these are top schools, these tend to be top performing junior officers as well. With that said, I have seen a much larger number of folks in the last year or two getting out. When I ask about their peers, they usually say "most of the top Lieutenants at my unit are getting out." So take this not as a thorough survey, but as a data point that definitely spans many other units.<div><br></div><div>I think you intuition as to their motivation is precisely right, and also not likely a reflection of you or your unit. Top reasons I hear:</div><div><br></div><div>- Frustration with career progress opportunities (promotions taking longer, lack of meritocracy, extended staff time, etc.)</div><div>- Desire to deploy, and the lack of that opportunity to do so</div><div>- Concern about stifling bureaucracy in garrison</div><div><br></div><div>For people who are looking to be top achievers, the lack of opportunity to deploy, the lack of opportunity to progress (or at least the perception of it), and lack of opportunity to lead in combat, drives a lot of good people out... though of course a lot of good people decide to stay in as well.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't see it as a commitment problem. Any organization that wants to keep its best must sufficiently challenge its top performers and empower them to make a big enough of an impact. I would ask whether the Army is doing that, and how it can do it better.</div>
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CPT Brandon Christensen
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"For people who are looking to be top achievers, the lack of opportunity to deploy, the lack of opportunity to progress (or at least the perception of it), and lack of opportunity to lead in combat, drives a lot of good people out."


Totally agree!

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Agreed. Even with the empowerment and trust built around good units though, a lot of good officers are leaving simply because they joined to fight and not live in a garrison Army. I find it interesting that the tedium that they are supposedly running from is actually quite commonplace in civilian enterprise. While they have many more freedoms, the excitement they pursued in the military usually doesn't exist elsewhere.
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CW2 Joseph Evans
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We were losing them after 5 because they didn't sign on to fight a corporate war of attrition. The ones we lost after 10 was because they were tired of being second guessed by people that had never seen the front line. The ones we are losing now are because they are being denied the glory of battle.

If they aren't predisposed to service for service sake alone, Family, Country, God, do you really want them managing the foxholes to your front and flank?
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I see it as a decision on committment. If their heart isn't in it anymore, then absolutely...it's time to head on to greener pastures. It is tough to see Soldiers with so much potential get out though, but it's for the best in the end.
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