Posted on Sep 3, 2015
Are there changes to the 2016 Promotion Point System?
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Are they taking away promotion points away for correspondence courses? I know they are doing away with deployment points, NCOES, and have already done away with SSD points. I was looking up the reg and it didn't say anything about it, but I wanted to double tap before I have my soldiers do correspondence courses that will not count for anything when instead I can have them focus on college credits..
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WO1 (Join to see) Below are the list of changes mentioned in the MILPER MSG 15-264. Link posted at the bottom for changes.
C. UPCOMING CHANGES - SOLDIERS (SPC, CPL, AND SGT) WILL SEE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE PPW IN BLOCK 8, STATUS/REASON. BLOCK 8 WILL DISPLAY A NEW STATUS/REASON “ELIGIBLE- DOES NOT MEET NCOES REQ”, FOR PROMOTABLE SOLDIERS THAT DO NOT MEET THEIR RESPECTIVE PIN-ON REQUIREMENT AS STATED IN PARAGRAPH 4 ABOVE. IN ADDITION, THERE WILL BE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PROMOTION POINT DISTRIBUTION ON THE PPW, FOR AA ON OR ABOUT 2 DEC 15 AND ON THE DA FORM 3355, FOR USAR IN NOV 15 FOR MILITARY TRAINING, MILITARY EDUCATION AND CIVILIAN EDUCATION.
D. MILITARY TRAINING WILL ONLY AWARD PROMOTION POINTS FOR THE FOLLOWING TWO CATEGORIES: WEAPONS AND ARMY PHYSICAL FITNESS TRAINING (APFT).
(1) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SGT: WEAPONS WILL AWARD 160 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(2) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SSG: WEAPONS WILL AWARD 110 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(3) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SGT: APFT WILL AWARD 180 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(4) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SSG: APFT WILL AWARD 145 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(5) PROMOTION POINTS WILL NO LONGER BE AWARDED FOR COMBAT EXPERIENCE.
E. MILITARY EDUCATION WILL AWARD PROMOTION POINTS FOR NCOES, RESIDENT MILITARY COURSES AND COMPUTER BASED COURSES AS FOLLOWS:
(1) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SGT MILITARY EDUCATION WILL AWARD 200 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(2) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SSG MILITARY EDUCATION WILL AWARD 220 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(3) PROFESSIONAL MILITARY EDUCATION. ACADEMIC AND/OR LEADERSHIP ACHIEVEMENTS. MAXIMUM POINTS IN THIS SECTION ARE ADJUSTED TO 60 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG. POINTS WILL BE EQUIVALENT TO THE LEVEL OF ACADEMIC OR LEADERSHIP ACHIEVEMENT UPON GRADUATION OF APPROPRIATE NCOES, POINT VALUES ARE AS FOLLOWS:
(A) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SGT: BLC GRADUATES WILL RECEIVE 20 PROMOTION POINTS FOR BEING RECOGNIZED AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMANDANT’S LIST. DISTINGUISHED HONOR GRADUATE/DISTINGUISHED LEADERSHIP GRADUATE WILL RECEIVE 40 PROMOTION POINTS.
(B) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SSG: ALC GRADUATES WILL RECEIVE 20 PROMOTION POINTS FOR BEING RECOGNIZED AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMANDANT’S LIST. DISTINGUISHED HONOR GRADUATE/DISTINGUISHED LEADERSHIP GRADUATE WILL RECEIVE 40 PROMOTION POINTS.
(4) RESIDENT MILITARY TRAINING. ONLY RESIDENT MILITARY TRAINING COURSES LISTED IN THE ARMY TRAINING REQUIREMENTS AND RESOURCES SYSTEM (ATRRS) AND ALL TAB- PRODUCING COURSES WILL RECEIVE PROMOTION POINTS. MAXIMUM POINTS IN THIS SECTION ARE ADJUSTED TO 80 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND 90 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SSG.
(A) PROMOTION POINTS WILL NO LONGER BE AWARDED FOR SOLDIER TRAINING COURSES IN AR 350-1. SOLDIERS PREVIOUSLY AWARDED SOLDIER TRAINING COURSE PROMOTION POINTS WILL RETAIN 10 POINTS PER COURSE UNTIL PROMOTED TO SGT OR SSG.
(B) HUMAN RESOURCE PROFESSIONALS ARE TO CONTINUOUSLY AUDIT SOLDIERS PROMOTION RECORDS. SPECIAL EMPHASIS MUST BE PLACED ON RESIDENT MILITARY TRAINING. ANY MILITRAY TRAINING THAT IS ERRONEOUSLY LISTED MAY RESULT IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE REDUCTION IN RANK.
(5) COMPUTER BASED TRAINING. NON-RESIDENT MILITARY TRAINING INCLUDING ARMY CORRESPONDENCE COURSE PROGRAM (ACCP), DISTANCE LEARNING (DL) AND ARMY E- LEARNING. MAXIMUM POINTS IN THIS SECTION ARE ADJUSTED TO 80 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND 90 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SSG.
(6) PROMOTION POINTS ARE ONLY AWARDED FOR COMPLETED CORRESPONDENCE COURSES, COMPUTER-BASED TRAINING AND/OR ARMY E-LEARNING COURSES RECORDED ON THE SOLDIERS ATRRS TRANSCRIPT. NO PROMOTION POINTS ARE GIVEN FOR SUB-COURSES.
F. CIVILIAN EDUCATION. COLLEGE, DEGREE COMPLETION, TECHNICAL CERTIFICATION AND DEFENSE LANGUAGE PROFICIENCY TEST (DLPT). MAXIMUM POINTS IN THIS SECTION ARE ADJUSTED TO 135 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND 160 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SSG.
(1) MAXIMUM POINTS FOR COLLEGE IS ADJUSTED TO 2 POINTS PER SEMESTER HOUR FOR
PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG.
(2) MAXIMUM POINTS FOR DEGREE COMPLETION IS ADJUSTED TO 20 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG.
(3) MAXIMUM POINTS FOR TECHNICAL CERTIFICATION IS 50 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG, NO CHANGE.
(4) MAXIMUM POINTS FOR DLPT IS ADJUSTED TO 25 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG.
G. SEMI-CENTRALIZED CHANGES AFFECT PROMOTIONS FOR BOTH THE AA AND USAR EFFECTIVE 1 JAN 16 AND THEREAFTER.
(1) ACTIVE COMPONENT SOLDIERS SHOULD SEE REVISED SCORES, BASED ON THESE NEWLY ESTABLISHED CEILINGS, IN THE AUTOMATED PPW ON OR ABOUT 2 DEC 15.
(2) USAR SOLDIERS WILL RECORD THE NEW ESTABLISHED CEILINGS ON DA FORM 3355. A NEW DA FORM 3355 WILL BE PUBLISHED SOON. THESE CEILINGS MUST BE IMPLEMENTED ON PROMOTION BOARD ACTIONS EFFECTIVE NOV 15 IN ORDER TO MEET THE PROMOTION TIMELINE FOR 1 JAN 16 PROMOTIONS.
(3) SOLDIERS RECOMMENDED FOR PROMOTION AND INTEGRATED ONTO THE RECOMMENDED LIST BY 8 DEC 15, FOR AA AND 26 NOV 15, FOR USAR WILL HAVE THESE VALUES APPLIED IN DETERMINING THEIR PROMOTION SCORES.
H. VIEW UPCOMING POINT ADJUSTMENTS, WEAPONS AND APFT TABLES, SGT/SSG PPW AND REFERENCES A AND B BY CLICKING ON THE FOLLOWING LINK:
https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Select%20-%20Train%20-%20Educate%20-%20Promote%20-%20STEP
C. UPCOMING CHANGES - SOLDIERS (SPC, CPL, AND SGT) WILL SEE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE PPW IN BLOCK 8, STATUS/REASON. BLOCK 8 WILL DISPLAY A NEW STATUS/REASON “ELIGIBLE- DOES NOT MEET NCOES REQ”, FOR PROMOTABLE SOLDIERS THAT DO NOT MEET THEIR RESPECTIVE PIN-ON REQUIREMENT AS STATED IN PARAGRAPH 4 ABOVE. IN ADDITION, THERE WILL BE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PROMOTION POINT DISTRIBUTION ON THE PPW, FOR AA ON OR ABOUT 2 DEC 15 AND ON THE DA FORM 3355, FOR USAR IN NOV 15 FOR MILITARY TRAINING, MILITARY EDUCATION AND CIVILIAN EDUCATION.
D. MILITARY TRAINING WILL ONLY AWARD PROMOTION POINTS FOR THE FOLLOWING TWO CATEGORIES: WEAPONS AND ARMY PHYSICAL FITNESS TRAINING (APFT).
(1) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SGT: WEAPONS WILL AWARD 160 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(2) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SSG: WEAPONS WILL AWARD 110 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(3) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SGT: APFT WILL AWARD 180 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(4) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SSG: APFT WILL AWARD 145 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(5) PROMOTION POINTS WILL NO LONGER BE AWARDED FOR COMBAT EXPERIENCE.
E. MILITARY EDUCATION WILL AWARD PROMOTION POINTS FOR NCOES, RESIDENT MILITARY COURSES AND COMPUTER BASED COURSES AS FOLLOWS:
(1) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SGT MILITARY EDUCATION WILL AWARD 200 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(2) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SSG MILITARY EDUCATION WILL AWARD 220 MAXIMUM POINTS.
(3) PROFESSIONAL MILITARY EDUCATION. ACADEMIC AND/OR LEADERSHIP ACHIEVEMENTS. MAXIMUM POINTS IN THIS SECTION ARE ADJUSTED TO 60 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG. POINTS WILL BE EQUIVALENT TO THE LEVEL OF ACADEMIC OR LEADERSHIP ACHIEVEMENT UPON GRADUATION OF APPROPRIATE NCOES, POINT VALUES ARE AS FOLLOWS:
(A) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SGT: BLC GRADUATES WILL RECEIVE 20 PROMOTION POINTS FOR BEING RECOGNIZED AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMANDANT’S LIST. DISTINGUISHED HONOR GRADUATE/DISTINGUISHED LEADERSHIP GRADUATE WILL RECEIVE 40 PROMOTION POINTS.
(B) WHEN COMPETING FOR SELECTION TO SSG: ALC GRADUATES WILL RECEIVE 20 PROMOTION POINTS FOR BEING RECOGNIZED AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMANDANT’S LIST. DISTINGUISHED HONOR GRADUATE/DISTINGUISHED LEADERSHIP GRADUATE WILL RECEIVE 40 PROMOTION POINTS.
(4) RESIDENT MILITARY TRAINING. ONLY RESIDENT MILITARY TRAINING COURSES LISTED IN THE ARMY TRAINING REQUIREMENTS AND RESOURCES SYSTEM (ATRRS) AND ALL TAB- PRODUCING COURSES WILL RECEIVE PROMOTION POINTS. MAXIMUM POINTS IN THIS SECTION ARE ADJUSTED TO 80 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND 90 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SSG.
(A) PROMOTION POINTS WILL NO LONGER BE AWARDED FOR SOLDIER TRAINING COURSES IN AR 350-1. SOLDIERS PREVIOUSLY AWARDED SOLDIER TRAINING COURSE PROMOTION POINTS WILL RETAIN 10 POINTS PER COURSE UNTIL PROMOTED TO SGT OR SSG.
(B) HUMAN RESOURCE PROFESSIONALS ARE TO CONTINUOUSLY AUDIT SOLDIERS PROMOTION RECORDS. SPECIAL EMPHASIS MUST BE PLACED ON RESIDENT MILITARY TRAINING. ANY MILITRAY TRAINING THAT IS ERRONEOUSLY LISTED MAY RESULT IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE REDUCTION IN RANK.
(5) COMPUTER BASED TRAINING. NON-RESIDENT MILITARY TRAINING INCLUDING ARMY CORRESPONDENCE COURSE PROGRAM (ACCP), DISTANCE LEARNING (DL) AND ARMY E- LEARNING. MAXIMUM POINTS IN THIS SECTION ARE ADJUSTED TO 80 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND 90 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SSG.
(6) PROMOTION POINTS ARE ONLY AWARDED FOR COMPLETED CORRESPONDENCE COURSES, COMPUTER-BASED TRAINING AND/OR ARMY E-LEARNING COURSES RECORDED ON THE SOLDIERS ATRRS TRANSCRIPT. NO PROMOTION POINTS ARE GIVEN FOR SUB-COURSES.
F. CIVILIAN EDUCATION. COLLEGE, DEGREE COMPLETION, TECHNICAL CERTIFICATION AND DEFENSE LANGUAGE PROFICIENCY TEST (DLPT). MAXIMUM POINTS IN THIS SECTION ARE ADJUSTED TO 135 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND 160 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SSG.
(1) MAXIMUM POINTS FOR COLLEGE IS ADJUSTED TO 2 POINTS PER SEMESTER HOUR FOR
PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG.
(2) MAXIMUM POINTS FOR DEGREE COMPLETION IS ADJUSTED TO 20 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG.
(3) MAXIMUM POINTS FOR TECHNICAL CERTIFICATION IS 50 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG, NO CHANGE.
(4) MAXIMUM POINTS FOR DLPT IS ADJUSTED TO 25 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG.
G. SEMI-CENTRALIZED CHANGES AFFECT PROMOTIONS FOR BOTH THE AA AND USAR EFFECTIVE 1 JAN 16 AND THEREAFTER.
(1) ACTIVE COMPONENT SOLDIERS SHOULD SEE REVISED SCORES, BASED ON THESE NEWLY ESTABLISHED CEILINGS, IN THE AUTOMATED PPW ON OR ABOUT 2 DEC 15.
(2) USAR SOLDIERS WILL RECORD THE NEW ESTABLISHED CEILINGS ON DA FORM 3355. A NEW DA FORM 3355 WILL BE PUBLISHED SOON. THESE CEILINGS MUST BE IMPLEMENTED ON PROMOTION BOARD ACTIONS EFFECTIVE NOV 15 IN ORDER TO MEET THE PROMOTION TIMELINE FOR 1 JAN 16 PROMOTIONS.
(3) SOLDIERS RECOMMENDED FOR PROMOTION AND INTEGRATED ONTO THE RECOMMENDED LIST BY 8 DEC 15, FOR AA AND 26 NOV 15, FOR USAR WILL HAVE THESE VALUES APPLIED IN DETERMINING THEIR PROMOTION SCORES.
H. VIEW UPCOMING POINT ADJUSTMENTS, WEAPONS AND APFT TABLES, SGT/SSG PPW AND REFERENCES A AND B BY CLICKING ON THE FOLLOWING LINK:
https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Select%20-%20Train%20-%20Educate%20-%20Promote%20-%20STEP
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Does that mean you need less college to max out college? Before it was 1 point per semester hour for 78 points max for SGT, meaning 26 classes worth 3 semester hours were need. By making it two, it seems like you only need 13 classes to max...which contradicts what they said about making education a priority for promotions
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I have a question. Im promotable and i made this months cut off points. I graduate BLC on the 4th of February. Will i get promoted after I graduate or will i have to wait until points come out for March
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F. CIVILIAN EDUCATION. COLLEGE, DEGREE COMPLETION, TECHNICAL CERTIFICATION AND DEFENSE LANGUAGE PROFICIENCY TEST (DLPT). MAXIMUM POINTS IN THIS SECTION ARE ADJUSTED TO 135 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND 160 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SSG.
(4) MAXIMUM POINTS FOR DLPT IS ADJUSTED TO 25 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG.
When it says "Maximum Points", does it means that you need a 5/5 for them or a 3/3 will get you the points but anything above wont give you anything extra? I'm confused about this.
F. CIVILIAN EDUCATION. COLLEGE, DEGREE COMPLETION, TECHNICAL CERTIFICATION AND DEFENSE LANGUAGE PROFICIENCY TEST (DLPT). MAXIMUM POINTS IN THIS SECTION ARE ADJUSTED TO 135 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND 160 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SSG.
(4) MAXIMUM POINTS FOR DLPT IS ADJUSTED TO 25 POINTS FOR PROMOTION TO SGT AND SSG.
When it says "Maximum Points", does it means that you need a 5/5 for them or a 3/3 will get you the points but anything above wont give you anything extra? I'm confused about this.
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So, with a typical SGM response I will say this, correspondence courses whether they are worth points or not is irrelevant. Soldiers should do them regardless, especially the ones that are directly related to their MOS. I know most Soldiers "cheat" but if they actually completed the courses, they might actually learn something...what a concept.
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I have yet to see anything relate to my MOS or anything that i would even need or want to learn, correspondence courses are a joke and always have been, especially the amount of time they want you to put into them they practically force you to cheat. Soldier in high density MOS's are forced to get an associates degree max correspondence max awards and beg and plead to get into that resident class that is always full cause they only have enough slots to train those who need it. Meanwhile the guy next to you that does the same job as you and you do his job because the army likes to "cross-train: is promoted over you because he spelled his name right on his ERB. the point system is a joke as a whole it always has been.
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I agree with you Larry, the point system is a joke. I have yet to see any course having anything to do with my MOS. He classes are so boring and put you to sleep, I doubt anyone actually does them 100% on their own. Of course a SGM would say that soldiers would actually learn something if they do them. It's about the points at the end of the day, despite what SGM said, I'm sure he didn't do them for nothing.
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