Posted on Apr 8, 2014
Are civilian employers ambivalent regarding the hiring of Military Veterans?
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Are you wondering why civilian employers appear to not care about the hiring Military Veterans? As a US Navy, Vietnam Veteran who is currently employed by Target Corp. we have the goal of hiring 25,000 Veterans in 2014. What's been your experience?
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I have a master of science in human resource management and have had to do jobs that I could have quit high school to do. This is horrible considering only 1% of the country has what it takes to serve. I was once told by my state employment and training office that my writing was too powerful etc. I am sick of their excuses. A lot of us took more responsibility before we were 30 than most people ever will.
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Capt Christian Olson
All true. I would recommend that vets do not put alot eggs in the state unemployment office basket in finding employment. NETWORK, NETWORK, NETWORK. Find a recruiter, find several recruiters. Be willing to move. Be willing to come in at alower level, then blow your employer away with your value. Get along with people, do not appear high and mighty because you are a veteran that expects everything. Your appearance, dress, speach, tone and body language all are important in the hiring process. You have to appear as someone who can assimilate into their work force (guys that is really important, gals you seem to have an easier time with this perception).
Businesses want to hire someone because they think you can either make them money or help them save money. It is one of the two. They will hire anyone that a manager believes can do that. The challange is you have to know how to translate that to them. Education & certifications help get a resume out of the stack, so get those certs/degrees. But that only gets you a look, now you have to close.
Businesses want to hire someone because they think you can either make them money or help them save money. It is one of the two. They will hire anyone that a manager believes can do that. The challange is you have to know how to translate that to them. Education & certifications help get a resume out of the stack, so get those certs/degrees. But that only gets you a look, now you have to close.
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Sgt Randy Hill, I feel your pain. When I got out of the service, I was told the doors would swing open for me, just because I was ex-Navy and "everyone knows what good workers Navy men are." After a year of unemployment, I realized that was a load of crap (especially for those of us whose military specialty doesn't translate to the civilian sector, in my case, Torpedoman on Submarines) and went to college to earn that coveted piece of paper.
Researching the job market, I began my degree in History with the intent to teach high school only to be told (right before doing my student teaching) that the high schools in the areas of Texas I was looking at "had enough coaches."
I stayed on another year after that to do a degree in Archaeology (Anthropology) because it was a passion. In my last semester and during an internship, I was informed by my supervisor that if I wanted a career in Archaeology, I was going to need a Masters degree as a minimum. As the graduate program for Anthropology from my university didn't interest me and I was geographically anchored to my area, I was kind of stuck.
The whole while that I was in school, I looked for work, even GS positions and was never even granted interviews.
I found a graduate program that spoke to me and decided to get a Masters, because "education is always a good thing" and because I needed my education benefits and financial aid to have a place to live.
After completing graduate school, more of the same... My military experience counted for exactly nothing (to civilian employers) and I was "too educated" for entry-level positions (something about having a higher degree than the supervisor).
It took me moving to a new state to FINALLY get a job in higher education (which I held for 2 years until budget cuts forced me out, so here we go again)...
Researching the job market, I began my degree in History with the intent to teach high school only to be told (right before doing my student teaching) that the high schools in the areas of Texas I was looking at "had enough coaches."
I stayed on another year after that to do a degree in Archaeology (Anthropology) because it was a passion. In my last semester and during an internship, I was informed by my supervisor that if I wanted a career in Archaeology, I was going to need a Masters degree as a minimum. As the graduate program for Anthropology from my university didn't interest me and I was geographically anchored to my area, I was kind of stuck.
The whole while that I was in school, I looked for work, even GS positions and was never even granted interviews.
I found a graduate program that spoke to me and decided to get a Masters, because "education is always a good thing" and because I needed my education benefits and financial aid to have a place to live.
After completing graduate school, more of the same... My military experience counted for exactly nothing (to civilian employers) and I was "too educated" for entry-level positions (something about having a higher degree than the supervisor).
It took me moving to a new state to FINALLY get a job in higher education (which I held for 2 years until budget cuts forced me out, so here we go again)...
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I've been a Recruiter and Resume Writer for 10+ years since getting out of the Navy. My answer is, it really depends on the employer. There are many employers out there that are very interested in recruiting military veterans, now more than ever. However there is a disconnect between the employers and the veterans. A lot of employers don't know how to reach veterans and don't understand a veterans qualifications. On the flip side, many veterans don't know how to properly conduct a job search or know how to explain the value of their military experience and skills.
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Sgt Randy Hill
I advise veterans to go to a keyword translator like at http://www.va.gov before they write their resumes. Their is a disconnect caused by job analysis in different cultures. Because companies use these applicant tracking systems, the keywords must their or the algorithm will not pick it up and you do not get an interview.
U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
The US Department of Veterans Affairs provides patient care and federal benefits to veterans and their dependents. The home page for the Department of Veterans Affairs provides links to veterans benefits and services, as well as information and resources for other Departmental programs and offices.
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I don't think civilian employers are ambivalent but veterans come out of the service touting their leadership or management experience when employers are not looking to fill leadership or management positions. They are looking for people who can do the job with minimal ramp-up time. Veterans have to do a better job of highlighting how they can do the job and what value they will bring to the organization. Thinking that you will get a job solely because you are a veteran with management skills won't get you a job.
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PO3 Galon Miller
Well said, Sir... Clearly you have been around the block a few times and your have gained experience and wisdom in the process. I have gotten several jobs including my current IT Manager position at Target with a "surrounding the decision maker" approach. While used more frequently in sales rather than hiring, this method of putting yourself ahead of the competition works equally well in both settings. If those of us in support of hiring veterans join forces with the objective of building a stronger argument that we should hire those individuals who have given so much to our nation, I believe we can make a positive impact. One of the most significant obstacles for transitioning from active duty to civilian jobs is translating military experience into telling stories that are relevant to the hiring manager. This is where having coaches and mentors can make a tremendous difference. 70-80% of positions are filled with candidates who are referred by another employee, so selecting an organization and networking your way in is a great approach for getting a referral, as well as improving your chance to surround the decision maker. Thoughts?
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