Posted on Nov 22, 2013
Cadet CPL Team Leader
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If you had to choose the top one or two things that you want to see in your platoon leader, what would they be? This could be from a subordinate's perspective or from the chain of command's perspective.
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1. Keep your mouth closed and your ears open (For the first few weeks that is). What ever branch you choose, BOLC will only teach you doctrine and the basics. When you get to your unit listen to everyone from the senior NCOs to the SPC that have been in a while, even some of the PFCs. I can tell you I've seen PLs fail because they come in hard, don't listen to any advice, and fall right on their face.

 

2. Have thick skin. You will mess up, a lot, you should expect that. Don't be afraid to get your ass chewed. Bounce back, learn from the mistake and carry on.

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Thank you, sir! Humility seems to be a big part of it.
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Cadet CPL Team Leader
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SFC, we are told constantly to utilize our PSGs and learn from them, but they don't really explain how the relationship should really look like. I understand that there should always be a professional relationship, but how close should the PL and PSG be? Rather, what is appropriate? I have heard of PLs doing simple things even like taking a bucket of KFC to their soldiers' houses (both NCO and below) just to meet their families, build relationships, etc. How were your relationships with your officers? Thank you again for your time!

PS We do get to interact with NCOs, it isn't like there aren't any for me to talk to - it's just that I know about four E-7s personally while I would say I know about twenty O-1s, three O-3s, ten O-4s, five O-5s, and three O-6s personally. I visit the houses of the O-6s regularly for dinner or just to hang out, or hang out with their kids that are my age or a couple years younger than me. So you can understand how top-heavy we are! I do think it strengthens our ability to talk to senior officers without being too scared to get a word out, which I have seen happen to some before.
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SSG Robert Blum
SSG Robert Blum
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Cadet Nathman, I am happy that they are telling you to utilize your PSG's at West Point. I think they should give you a better understanding of how its done for sure. You are going to find that there are Good and Bad Senior NCOs, Those who truly make a positive impact on young officer, and those who impact negatively. Its up to you to sort that out, and soak up as much good as you can.  Learn as much as you can on your Own, or through those senior Officer about the ERS, and how to write both a good and a bad NCOER. You got a 75% chance to get a good one. My current PL (I am a Squad leader) has been with our platoon for 22 months, and we have went through 2 PSGs. One had a Philosophy that the LT is to be seen and not heard. She went with it, The current PSG (who Also Taught ROTC) is of the philosophy that the LT leads the Platoon and makes the tough decisions, and he has been a positive mentor to her for the last year, and I have seen a dramatic increase in her confidence, and ability. I trust her with my life. As to building strong relationships, you have to be aware of the Army's Fraternization Policy and walk that fine line with Skill. The senior Leaders of the Platoon, Squad Leaders and above, tend to get together with the families on holidays, and special occasions, and I have found that to be a great way to get to know each other on a personal level with out crossing that line.  See your PSG, and your NCOs as people, not just as subordinates and you'll do just fine. If you haven't already completed your summer away with an AD unit, make sure you toe the line while your there. I have seen several cadets get hit for fraternization with Soldiers and get LORs in their files, and in some cases not be allowed to commission.  during that time its best to stick with the Officers, and just watch the NCOs.
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SSG Blum, thank you very much for your response. They attempt to teach us about the fraternization policy here, but I believe it is poorly implemented. The freshmen (CDT PVTs) are not allowed to date or really in any way be friends with the upper three classes (sophomores are CDT CPLs, juniors CDT SGTs, and seniors CDT SGMs, LTs, and CPTs). Once you are a sophomore, however, everything goes out the window and you can hang out with, date, or do whatever with whoever you want as long as it isn't a freshman. I understand that "cadet land" is different than the real Army and they can't use the exact same policy, but still, it'd be nice if we got to understand it a little more.

I will keep that in mind about the senior NCOs in the platoon, thank you. It is interesting to hear the dynamics of a real Army example with your LT, as well as how the Squad Leaders and above interact. I want to find the balance between learning from my PSG and allowing him/her to mentor me, while at the same time maintaining a command presence and not having the rest of the Soldiers perceiving that their PSG is just running over their PL and taking control.

Thank you again!
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Also, I have not yet but am very excited to spend time with the active duty unit (we call it CTLT or Cadet Troop Leadership Training). I've heard many great CTLT stories from older cadets and apparently it can be an eye-opening experience to the real Army.
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SSG Robert Blum
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Cadet Nathman, No Problem. pretty much everyone In the E Grades fall under the same protocols as your Freshmen as it comes to fraternization. The only real difference is the NCO's you work directly with, 1SG, OPS SGT, CSM, PSG, and Squad Leaders. There are still lines that cannot and should not be crossed, and those NCOs while there to help develop you should still treat you with dignity and respect, That being said I have heard of a CSM or 1SG locking a cherry LT up, and reminding them who  is who.  This Slide Show sums it all up pretty good.http://www.atsc.army.mil/crc/DA%20Frat%20Policy%20grn.pdf and should leave you with no questions as to what is right and wrong interaction.  
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SFC Christopher Walker, MAOM, DSL
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For me, a good platoon leader is all about learning and
taking care of Soldiers. They are willing to stand up for the platoon sergeant
in his/her absence and defend the Soldiers as the Platoon Sergeant would. My
Platoon Leader is amazing. We went to battle for one of my soldiers who was
being mistreated. This issue went up to the Brigade Commander. In the end, we
won because we were right. Yes, we do have disagreements. As professionals, we
talk it out until we find the right solution to the problem. Teamwork is always
the key. Right is right and wrong is wrong.



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