Posted on Aug 31, 2015
Are illegal immigrants entitled to automatic citizenship in the U.S.A.—Citizenship and the Constitution?
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Are illegal immigrants entitled to automatic citizenship in the U.S.A.—Citizenship and the Constitution? This was a Hot topic in this 2016 Election Year as well! Will it change now after the election?
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Born in the U.S.A.—Citizenship and the Constitution
The Supreme Court has never held that the children of illegal immigrants are entitled to automatic citizenship.
August 29, 2015
In your editorial http://www.wsj.com/articles/born-in-the-u-s-a [login to see]
(Aug. 21) you assert that the language of the Fourteenth Amendment is “straightforward.” It is indeed, but it doesn’t mean what you claim. The amendment sets out two requirements for automatic citizenship, not just one.
A person must be born in the U.S. and subject to its jurisdiction, according to the text. Those who drafted the language were quite explicit; the latter phrase meant subject to the “complete” jurisdiction, “[n]ot owing allegiance to anybody else.”
As Sen. Jacob Howard explained at the time, the Citizenship Clause excludes not only Indians but “persons born in the U.S. who are foreigners, aliens, [or] who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.”
In other words, the phrase didn’t mean what they called “partial” or “territorial” jurisdiction such as applies to “sojourners” who are mere temporary visitors, and it certainly didn’t apply to those who were unlawfully present in the county.
This isn’t “circular restrictionist logic,” as you claim, but simply a reflection that “jurisdiction” has two different meanings. Visitors to the U.S., including illegal immigrants, are subject to our laws—our territorial jurisdiction—while present within our borders, but they are not thereby subject to the more complete political jurisdiction intended by the Fourteenth Amendment.
This was the understanding of the Supreme Court in 1873 and again in 1884. And it was not undermined by the Supreme Court’s 1898 holding in Wong Kim Ark, which recognized that a child born on U.S. soil to lawful, permanent residents was a citizen.
The Supreme Court has never held that the children of illegal immigrants are entitled to automatic citizenship, nor should it, as that would mean citizenship could be obtained not by mutual consent but by illegal conduct.
Prof. John C. Eastman
Fowler School of Law, Chapman University
Orange, Calif.
Someone's Perspective - do you agree or disagree?
Born in the U.S.A.—Citizenship and the Constitution
The Supreme Court has never held that the children of illegal immigrants are entitled to automatic citizenship.
August 29, 2015
In your editorial http://www.wsj.com/articles/born-in-the-u-s-a [login to see]
(Aug. 21) you assert that the language of the Fourteenth Amendment is “straightforward.” It is indeed, but it doesn’t mean what you claim. The amendment sets out two requirements for automatic citizenship, not just one.
A person must be born in the U.S. and subject to its jurisdiction, according to the text. Those who drafted the language were quite explicit; the latter phrase meant subject to the “complete” jurisdiction, “[n]ot owing allegiance to anybody else.”
As Sen. Jacob Howard explained at the time, the Citizenship Clause excludes not only Indians but “persons born in the U.S. who are foreigners, aliens, [or] who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.”
In other words, the phrase didn’t mean what they called “partial” or “territorial” jurisdiction such as applies to “sojourners” who are mere temporary visitors, and it certainly didn’t apply to those who were unlawfully present in the county.
This isn’t “circular restrictionist logic,” as you claim, but simply a reflection that “jurisdiction” has two different meanings. Visitors to the U.S., including illegal immigrants, are subject to our laws—our territorial jurisdiction—while present within our borders, but they are not thereby subject to the more complete political jurisdiction intended by the Fourteenth Amendment.
This was the understanding of the Supreme Court in 1873 and again in 1884. And it was not undermined by the Supreme Court’s 1898 holding in Wong Kim Ark, which recognized that a child born on U.S. soil to lawful, permanent residents was a citizen.
The Supreme Court has never held that the children of illegal immigrants are entitled to automatic citizenship, nor should it, as that would mean citizenship could be obtained not by mutual consent but by illegal conduct.
Prof. John C. Eastman
Fowler School of Law, Chapman University
Orange, Calif.
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Controversial topic but exactly the issues that we need to be having a conversation about rather than the renaming of Mount McKinley. The immigration topic is a very sensible and polarizing subject. It is even more difficult and frustrating for me because I am an immigrant. However, I tend to agree with what Governor Chris Christie said on Sunday morning during his appearance on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. “We need to enforce all the laws regardless if we like them or not.” With this in mind, I will say No ILLEGAL immigrants should not be entitled to automatic citizenship in the U.S.A.
Controversial topic but exactly the issues that we need to be having a conversation about rather than the renaming of Mount McKinley. The immigration topic is a very sensible and polarizing subject. It is even more difficult and frustrating for me because I am an immigrant. However, I tend to agree with what Governor Chris Christie said on Sunday morning during his appearance on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. “We need to enforce all the laws regardless if we like them or not.” With this in mind, I will say No ILLEGAL immigrants should not be entitled to automatic citizenship in the U.S.A.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
CPO Robert (Mac) McGovern - Part of the problem for people doing it right is the cost. I am 100 percent against illegals being here and 100 in favor of a path to citizenship however it cost me as a senior CPT and MAJ $2000 for my wife to do it right. You take someone only making $5/hr and ask them to chose, fed the family or immigrate legally, who blames them for feeding the kids? People talk of making them pay past taxes plus the $2000 fees, where they going to get this money? If we reduced the cost and captured 50% of those illegal, we would bring in about the same money. System would be over taxed and long lines, but it would be a start.
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PVT Raymond Lopez
The Justinian Code says that ignorance of the law is not a defense. All of you here have raised your right arm and of your own free will swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic and yet you show your ignorance of it! The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. The amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws, and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War. The amendment was bitterly contested, particularly by Southern states, which were forced to ratify it in order for them to regain representation in Congress The Southern states contended that former slaves were not citizens rather they were residents and not subject to the protections of citizenship. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ILLEGAL ALLIENS!!!! I have spent my entire adult in either one of the components of the United States Army or law enforcement so I have some slight experience in Constitutional law.
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SSG David Fetty
CPL Joseph Montgonery - If precedent trumps all, then slaves would still exist. Look to the many rulings on that prior to the Civil War. Heck, even the Dred Scott decision would prove the question. Precedent is only a guideline, and is refuted all the time.
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Sally Webster
Um, I am ok and right on target with Prof. Eastman EXCEPT when he uses the term illegal immigrant.There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. One is either here illegally and has not properly immigrated into our country or HAS immigrated and is now a legal citizen of the united States of America.
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That's easy... "No"...
Unfortunately, with all of the "rights and benefits they are "entitled" to", they may as well be... Last step... Anything for votes, right? smdh...
For those born here, well... that's a different story all together... but my feeling is that, if a child born here is from illegal parents, then the child is an illegal... with a few exceptions...
Unfortunately, with all of the "rights and benefits they are "entitled" to", they may as well be... Last step... Anything for votes, right? smdh...
For those born here, well... that's a different story all together... but my feeling is that, if a child born here is from illegal parents, then the child is an illegal... with a few exceptions...
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PFC James Craft
Entitlements should be reserved for the handicapped. Social Security is not an entitlement it is a retirement account that was supposed to be managed the Congress who couldn't keep their greedy hands out of it. Instead of free hand outs to people down on their luck they need a hand up to good jobs.
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Sally Webster
Agreed. This is supposed to be a nation of laws. I am ok and right on target with Prof. Eastman EXCEPT when he uses the term illegal immigrant.There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. One is either here illegally and has not properly immigrated into our country or HAS immigrated and is now a legal citizen of the united States of America.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs The United States and Canada are the only developed nations that allow birthright citizenship. It's a great tool for nation building but nations reach a point where it is no longer needed and indeed can become a threat to security. Children born here but indoctrinated in other countries can become threats to our nation. On the other hand if we're going to change this then what will the requirement for citizenship be? Will proof of parent's citizenship be required along with proof of U.S. continued residence?
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MCPO Roger Collins
The following are among the nations repealing Birthright Citizenship in recent years:
Australia (2007)
New Zealand (2005)
Ireland (2005)
France (1993)
India (1987)
Malta (1989)
UK (1983)
Portugal (1981)
Australia (2007)
New Zealand (2005)
Ireland (2005)
France (1993)
India (1987)
Malta (1989)
UK (1983)
Portugal (1981)
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SSG William Bowen
2LT Tom Waters, JD - One does not even have to be on the ground. If one is born within 12 miles of the US boundary on a boat or place, they are a US citizen.
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Sgt William Straub Jr.
It's a complicated and confusing law. Legal resident + newborn in US = newborn US citizen,
Illegal Alien + newborn in US should not = newborn US citizen. In my opinion
Illegal Alien + newborn in US should not = newborn US citizen. In my opinion
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