Posted on Apr 2, 2014
What is your thought on Modern Army Combatives?
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I am a Level IV combatives instructor. I believe that being in the number 1 fighting force in the world ALL Soldiers should learn at least Level I. There are many Soldiers of all ranks against it. I can not understand why they are. We are in the US ARMY not the girls scouts, not food services, not office work persay. Is it injury? More Soldiers are hurt in Basketball than anything else in the military with football right behind it. Yet we support the playing of sports. Your thoughts?
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We need to stop trying to create MMA fighters and start teaching how to kill or incapacitate quickly..
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I sorta agree that the purpose is to defend yourself when you don't have a weapon available. But learning all the aspects and techniques for combatives including the judo and wrestling just gives a Soldier the advantage.
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One question. If MAC is supposed to prepare you for combat and we train as we fight; then why are we doing it in PT's, gym clothes, or stripped down ACU's? Why not full battle rattle with plates, a weapon, and a full combat load? Start training like that and maybe I'd take it serious. But unless your running down range in your PT shorts and a TAPOUT shirt, I'd rather just butt stroke you to the head and hold.<div>Should soldiers be trained? Why not? While we are at it we should all know Arabic, we should all know how to do an emergency trach, and interrogate a prisoner too. My point is that there are MANY other things the Soldiers need to focus on as well. Things that maybe more applicable to their MOS. There is no point for an X-ray tech to be combatives level IV. There are other things that he should commit his time to aspire to that will benefit the Force much more than his combatives certification. This is applicable to most of the MOS's. Whatever baseline training you think that we should all have should be gotten in basic training. Otherwise the juice aint worth the squeeze. Just my opinion.</div>
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Crawl-Walk-Run. You cannot pull off all the moves correctly in full kit without learning the fundamentals. I have been in combatives classes at Ft Lewis where we were in full kit and most people looked silly as they were unable to do anything to standard. Why, they did not know technique.
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Level 2 teaches the tactical portion which can be done in kit. It instructs on using a secondary, knife and rifle in a CQB environment. It also teaches weapon retention and a few other handy skills. <div><br></div>
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<div>I hate combatives because I don't like fighting or wrestling people. It's hard for me to even get angry. </div><div>However I will say the only time I ever won a fight was because I had taken Combatives I. </div><div>My big sister and I were in the river and she was drunk. She's kept trying to get me to wrestle! So I wrapped her up using the exact moves I learned in class and that was that. </div><div><br></div><div>It also happens to be the most badass thing I've ever done. </div>
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PFC Phillip Brome
I think since we are trained to kill without conscience in combat we need to get back to that way of thinking. Like it or not war is not pretty and is not supposed to be pretty. Its bloody and gory and freighting and we must keep our minds clearly on our objective...Kill the enemy before he kills me
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SFC Jim Ruether
I honestly think that combative training could come in handy if you are crossing the Wal-Mart parking lot one night and someone approaches you with robbery or assault in mind. Sometimes your direction of flight is blocked and you have no choice. Don't always think its in combat that you may use this kind of training.
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SFC Jim Ruether
I think most of us would agree that when you need a gun and don't have one handy you still have your will to survive and your two hands. Now having taken some combat training might come in handy don't you think?
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SFC Jim Ruether - Yeah, but........ how about carrying some acid in a bottle and throw in the fools face or ammonia pill packs. Squeeze that sucker and they run away. Or how about a passive move like balls strike.
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