Posted on Aug 13, 2015
Soldiers working with civilians..how do you feel about it?
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For those of you still in that work with civilians, do you find it hard to do? I work in a TMC with 2 civilians, one is an retired 1SG, so he gets it, and is awesome to work with, the other one though, she is impossible to deal with. She doesn't understand how the Military works, and micro-manages everything I do. She doesn't understand the rank structure and thinks I can just call up a CSM and tell him to do something. Anyone else have to deal with this?
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I had long careers in uniform and then GS. What you have is an odd fit. If the civilian is performing according to her job standards, then it's an issue of style points, or better yet, lack of them. People who micro, don't trust. So you can hold up your end in building trust with her in how you interact. Avoiding, being short with, only doing the minimum, etc. reinforces lack of trust and you'll actively encourage continuation of the behavior. The CSM many not have relevant experience dealing with civilian employees. Best advice for the CSM would be to discuss with the senior civilian and the HR specialist. Nothing like creating large secondaries by dealing with it improperly. Good luck.
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I think the Army Civilians is the biggest scam in the military. They are worse than politicians. For every one good one you find there are 9 horrible other ones. I have only dealt with a bet at Benning. I hated every experience.
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Maj (Join to see)
Gentlemen, remember that you will not always be active duty, and one day you may end up being those civilians, you so harshly despise, when a young active duty member will come to stereotype you the way you are doing...
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CPT Russell Pitre
Maj (Join to see) - Well, I am not active duty and didn't need the Gov to give me a job to slack at. Thanks, I am sure there is still hope for some others out there.
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Maj (Join to see)
CPT Russell Pitre, your stereotyping and post says more about you than about the civilian workers you are making reference to. Without a doubt there are some lazy people in the government, and perhaps you have encountered many of them, but it remains a small percentage compared top the n umber of civilians. Generalizing than the more than 2.8 Million civilian employees in the government are lazy is really an overstatement and provides a grasp of how far of reality you are. this country does not have the greatest government and institution in the world based on a bunch of slackers, as you reference civilians; but based on hard working people, to include civilians, military and contractors. slackers exists on the civilian world, active duty, reserves and government civilian as well, but remain a lower percentage, and if you do your job as leader you can start getting rid of them... Perhaps if you are being surrounded by too many, you should look inside and see what circles you are unconsciously becoming part of....
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CPT Russell Pitre
Maj (Join to see) - I did look inside. That is why I am not in the military anymore.
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I worked for a Civilian one time in my 22 years. And it turns out to be one of my favorite stories. 2 Actually. One we ended up being rival in laws as I married his sons Mother in law... That went over like a ton of bricks. And then a General officer came to visit the facility, was introduced to the Civilian who was the basically the OIC. Then he was introduced to me, remembered me from a previous meeting in another Unit and proceeded to ask me to show him around "your" facility; the civilians were almost ignored. Don't understand why we never got along......
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