Posted on Aug 13, 2015
How do we practice separation of church and state?
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I say we just take a look at what the Framers had to say about the 1st Amendment and the whole discourse on Seperation. It is EASY to avoid the Up/Down, Right/Wrong crap when religion is kept out of the public venue IN TERMS OF GOVERNANCE. Just consider what Madison (an architect of the Bill of Rights and the early amendments) had to say about religion.
“Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom? In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the U. S. forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion.”
And then goes on to say. “The establishment of the chaplainship to Congs is a palpable violation of equal rights, as well as of Constitutional principles:”
He says much the same about military chaplains.
James Madison, Detached Memoranda/ca. 1817W. & M. Q., 3d ser., 3:554--60 1946
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions64.html
I am not interested in hearing ANY RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION other than a general condemnation of it.
“Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom? In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the U. S. forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion.”
And then goes on to say. “The establishment of the chaplainship to Congs is a palpable violation of equal rights, as well as of Constitutional principles:”
He says much the same about military chaplains.
James Madison, Detached Memoranda/ca. 1817W. & M. Q., 3d ser., 3:554--60 1946
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions64.html
I am not interested in hearing ANY RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION other than a general condemnation of it.
Amendment I (Religion): James Madison, Detached Memoranda
The danger of silent accumulations & encroachments byEcclesiastical Bodies have not sufficiently engaged attentionin the U. S. They have the noble merit of first unshacklingthe conscience from persecuting laws, and of establishingamong religious Sects a legal equality. If someof the States have not embraced this just and this truly Xnprinciple in its proper latitude, all of them present examplesby which the most enlightened States of the old...
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MAJ Keira Brennan
LOL. Maybe common decency says people like you should practice whatever you want in the privacy of your home and keep it out of the public discourse. Its SEPARATE for a reason.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
Beliefs exist in your brain. Once you vocalize them, they intrude on the public. If people kept their beliefs to themselves (other than in same faith worship, in homes and dedicated locations) the world would be a much nicer place...
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Easy. The government has no say on what happens within the walls of a religious building, and the religions have no say on what happens in the government/the country.
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PO2 Peter Klein
The first part of what you say is true. The second part is patently false! Consider the furor churches have caused on issues such as Planned Parenthood Rowe vs. Wade. And the tea baggers like Cruz and Huckabee grovel to them.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
PO2 Peter Klein - Oh agreed. He asked how it should happen.
Sadly we've somehow revised history and created this alternate timeline where Moses was a founding father and the country was clearly intended to be a theocracy... I don't know how we got to this point, but here we are.
Sadly we've somehow revised history and created this alternate timeline where Moses was a founding father and the country was clearly intended to be a theocracy... I don't know how we got to this point, but here we are.
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