Posted on Aug 10, 2015
SSG(P) Drew Hunnicutt
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I have met several E-5s who got an automatic promotion when they changed their MOS and never had to face a board. What do you think about this? What do you think of the NCOs who get promoted this way?
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MSG Usarec Liason At Nrpc/Nara
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I shall prepare for the comments but...10 years ago I got pinned E-5 automatically when I converted to 79R (permanent recruiter). There was a great number of times that I felt like I was set up because I couldn't answer or I didn't know how to do things that a SGT should know how to do. I can still see the look on a CPL I worked with face when I asked how to do a counseling....he thought I was pretty dumb.
On the other hand it really did force me to learn so I could catch up and get ahead so when I was ready to face the E-6 board I could nail it (and I did).
Is every NCO who gets an automatic promotion going to be the best NCO ever...no. Is every NCO who gets promoted by the board going to be the greatest NCO ever...no. Does the board really dictate who is ready...I don't know. Does having the ability to regurgitate information make you a good leader? I've had NCO's that were excellent board babies that I wouldn't follow into a grocery store and I've had NCO's that suck at boards but could do their job like no ones business.
I can't say automatic promotions are right or wrong, I know I feel I've earned mine (be it after the fact) and each one since. Regardless you can't judge an NCO by how they got there but by how they behave once they did.
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SFC John Killough
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It doesn't really matter to me either way. I went to all the boards. The boards didn't show what kind of leader I was, just that I could answer questions under a bit of pressure. Which is a big part of leadership. I always felt if you are recommended to the 5 or 6 Board then you should get picked up.
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SGT Gerald Duncan
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I disagree about being picked up if you don't turn it before you or e v and a corporal then you should not be promoted just my opinion
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SSG Jerel Parker
SSG Jerel Parker
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I made it up through the ranks to E-5 (SGT) on time in service, then SSG on up was by Army board. The main reason should be promoted is that they know their job, and it is up to the NCO's above them to train them. Their are mandatory schools you have to attend as you go up the ranks, but even with book learning you still have to know the reasons and powers you have behind the rank you wear. I rose to SSG through the ranks and a board, then had to submit my military record to the Army Board in D.C. for promotion, and was in competition Army wide with all SSG's eligible for promotion, and had a exemplary record but was never promoted, and always thought it was because I never had the right schools or assignments, which may or may not be true, but had I changed my MOS back to my old one, Transportation, then I would have probably been promoted right away. The MP Corps is small, and promotions are scares sometimes, but I loved my job. But getting back to promotions, working your way through the ranks is okay for E-1 through E-4, if you pay attention and learn your jobs, but once you get into the NCO ranks, I believe there should be a more precise way to choose the soldiers capable to lead, and train other soldiers to take their places. I had some great NCO's above me leading and showing me how to lead and mentor younger soldiers to take my place when I moved on, and that should be the credo of the Service, to make sure the men and women leading our troops are the best they can be and the most technically capable soldiers we can put in the field. America deserves the best representation we can give her, and our soldiers represent the best we have, so make them the best we can. The future is only as good as the people we put in uniform to serve us, and if we falter at developing them into the best then shame on us. Schools enlighten us, and knowledge makes us better, but the real test is how well we are taught to be soldiers by the men and women that came before us, and if we falter then we haven't done our jobs right, or trained our people to be the best that they can be. Keep the services strong and make it tough and honorable to be a soldier, but make it fair, and make them proud and true Americans fighting for our way of life the best they can with the right tools and knowledge we have given them without any reservations, and we will reap the rewards of having the greatest country on Earth, and the greatest soldiers ever trained.....
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The Marine Corps promotes to both Cpl and Sgt this way. For SSgt and above we are boarded by representatives from all MOSs at HQMC. It works as long as your leadership in engaged in both the counseling and mentoring process as they develop subordinates. It also takes a long time to get promoted in the Marine Corps I was in for 27 months before I became a Cpl and I was two months shy of my six year mark before I was promoted to Sgt. It took a long time and I had a lot of experience before I advanced along. You need to learn to follow before you can learn to lead!
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SGT Medic
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"You need to learn to follow before you can learn to lead!"

I could not tell you how often I said this during my time in the service. No one wants to hear it. You're preaching to the choir, i was told.
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How are you going to down vote someone and not leave a comment Sgt Johnson?
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GySgt Ascencion Gomez, D.S.L.
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No problem with what you are saying. I don't believe a board is necessary for Sgt and below unless it's a meritorious promotion board. I was post Vietnam USMC and by the time I pinned on Sgt I was ready. I got very good training from all the combat veterans in our unit not only that most of them weren't interested in getting promoted anyway. I've been living off of that training for decades.
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I think the Board has validity. But I would like to see it done differently.
If my Commander and I send a Soldier to the Promotion Board, who is another 1SG to judge differently.
There a stress value to the board, but all to often I have seen other 1SGs not understand the difference between a Soldier/NCO of the Year board and a Promotion board and ask just plain off the wall questions. Why would a Supply Soldier give two damns about C4ISR? They are two separate processes.
If I had my way ( don't we all say this to ourselves), The board would happen at the company level. The PSG and PL would make the recommendation. The board would consist of the PSGs, 1SG, CO, and XO. Those individuals would truly know the soldier and have a vested interest in seeing his potential.
I don't think a question and answer session best gives us a potential evaluation. A lot of Soldiers are great at giving book answers. I want to see a Soldier wishing to be a future team leader walk me through a re-section on a map, give me a quick PMI with a weapon system, or perform another Team leader task in the technical realm. They might not get these all correct, but that is okay. The Army promotion doctrine is Select, Train, Promote (STP). Seeing where a Soldier is at in Team Leader tasks would help gage potential. Couple the potential with judgement of past performance, and you should get a good cut of the cream.
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