Posted on Aug 3, 2015
MSgt Alan H
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Very seldom addressed or discussed in official military channels..... Air Force times just completed a huge multi year study on top ten jobs for making promotions faster looking at average time in grade for selectees. Drone operators from E6 to E8 are being promoted with only an average of 2 as in yes (Two) years time in grade!?! The article lists the top ten fastest and some of the lowest slowest as well. Can you believe that recruiter is at the very very bottom of the list!! No wonder they don't discuss these facts officially. My question for you, do you think this is fair and ethical?
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SMSgt Pavements and Construction Equipment (DirtBoyz)
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I think it is not only fair but it is necessary. There is so much to this answer that is way to in depth to get into but the basics of it is this...we have to have a certain number of each rank in each AFSC. So you kind of have two routes you can take...promote the same % across the AFSCs and then cross-train members to balance the ranks needed, or you can promote more individuals within an AFS to a particular rank and avoid the cross-training. Go back a few years and we went through option A. Maybe you noticed that as soon as promotions were announced, most of those newly promoted received a cross-train notification. In the 3E world we had a need for 3E5 and 3E6 so we promoted 3E2s (which there were no need for) and then cross-trained them to 3E5/6. Then the next year we went with option B. For 3E2 the rate promoted to MSgt was around 12% and for 3E5 it was around 40%. In both situations we ended up with the target end strength for that AFS and grade. I would argue that option B is better because at least you are promoting people that are familiar with the AFS, as opposed to cross-training someone at the TSgt/MSgt level creating a steep learning curve.

There simply are AFSCs that have lower retention for a myriad of reasons. High tempo, marketability in the private sector and so on. As long as we have AFSCs that are unable to meet their targeted retention goals, we will have to promote more in that AFS to fill those vacancies. If you happen to be in a high retention AFS, it means you love your job a little more but you will have to wait to promote (possibly) longer.
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MSgt Squad Leader
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Unfortunately the only way to make it "fair" would be to forcibly retrain people based off of their promotions; which would not work. Promotion cut offs, by AFSC, are largely based off of projected rank openings. For example First Sergeants saw a huge increase in promotion to SMSgt because Security Forces called back all of their SMSgts from Shirt duties, which left a need for more SMSgt First Sergeants.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Yep, that's what I said. Depends on demand.
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I don't believe 2 years TIG is enough time for development and growth regardless on how high speed you are and that goes for NCO's or Officers. Promoting to fill voids and not based off of performance, experience, maturity and potential will hurt the overall strength of any Armed service in the long run.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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I look at it this way. If a superior feels you can handle the situation, he will promote you. Which always leaves me with the question. Do yo promote because of your past acomplisments or do you promote for you future job. Simply, do you get promoted for what you did or what I expect you to do. Heck, some people even skipped grades.Other got promoted because of change. I met a B-36 Flight who was an O-5. Got his rank depending on service thanks to Gen LeMay. Look at it this way,How long did it take to make COMMANDER IN CHIEF!!.
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SMSgt Cary Baker
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Well said Chief, I have seen a few SNCOs and young officers that didn't go anywhere but had the potential too if mentored properly to gain that experience and maturity. Because of virtue of making that rank, they were immediately placed into the hot seat and failed, which ultimately fails the unit, and decreases morale.
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