Posted on Jan 11, 2024
When transitioning from IRR to the Reserves and reclassifying to 12B OSUT, will I have to do BCT again?
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I just switched from the IRR to Reserve, been out of Active for almost 3 years. The sergeant showed me how long training is for a reclass and it shows 14 weeks and she said it’s not with IET , it would be with other reclass , I don’t really understand because from what I’m reading it shows AIT portion of the OSUT for 12b is 5 weeks, but she’s telling me 14 weeks, so am I having to do BCT over again? She said it doesn’t include BCT, I just need better understanding on how this works because my wife and I are so confused.
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Posted 11 mo ago
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Having reclassed to 12B once upon a time ago, I can tell you how it went for me:
I came from Army Reserves to Active in 1996. I was sent to Fort Leonard Wood for AIT. While the IET were experiencing OSUT, I was there only for the AIT portion of it (5 weeks at the time). And yes, I trained with the IET.
I can't tell you if you would have to do BCT all over again, but my instinct tells me you would NOT have to go through BCT again (because I did not have to repeat BCT even though it had been only 3 years prior) . Worst case scenario (if you have to go to FLW), is that you would get to the training company about a week or so prior to their BCT graduation (as that happened to me).
I am not sure if 12B MOS training is conducted anywhere other than FLW.
I came from Army Reserves to Active in 1996. I was sent to Fort Leonard Wood for AIT. While the IET were experiencing OSUT, I was there only for the AIT portion of it (5 weeks at the time). And yes, I trained with the IET.
I can't tell you if you would have to do BCT all over again, but my instinct tells me you would NOT have to go through BCT again (because I did not have to repeat BCT even though it had been only 3 years prior) . Worst case scenario (if you have to go to FLW), is that you would get to the training company about a week or so prior to their BCT graduation (as that happened to me).
I am not sure if 12B MOS training is conducted anywhere other than FLW.
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CSM William Everroad
MSG (Join to see), yes 12B reclass is taught at other installations. FLW is the only place for OSUT 12B.
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CSM William Everroad
MSG (Join to see) - If you want to know more:
Since the institution of "One Army School System (OASS) MOS producing schools for each compo have the same exact curriculum and members of each compo can attend and get a 1059 from any of them.
So the 12B AD course at FLW, the RC courses at FLW and FHL, and the NG courses in OH, SC, and ND are all effectively the same course and open to all Soldiers regardless of COMPO.
The downside is the instructors are not cross seated (even though they are certified using the same TRADOC standards). Meaning AD instructors teach the AD class, RC instructors teach the RC courses, etc. This results in a shortage of instructors across the system and improper student:instructor ratios or cancelled classes in some cases. This is one of the reasons in why some units cannot get seats in MOS producing courses.
Since the institution of "One Army School System (OASS) MOS producing schools for each compo have the same exact curriculum and members of each compo can attend and get a 1059 from any of them.
So the 12B AD course at FLW, the RC courses at FLW and FHL, and the NG courses in OH, SC, and ND are all effectively the same course and open to all Soldiers regardless of COMPO.
The downside is the instructors are not cross seated (even though they are certified using the same TRADOC standards). Meaning AD instructors teach the AD class, RC instructors teach the RC courses, etc. This results in a shortage of instructors across the system and improper student:instructor ratios or cancelled classes in some cases. This is one of the reasons in why some units cannot get seats in MOS producing courses.
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The active compo version of just the AIT is 6 weeks.
But there are also 3 Guard compo RTIs that teach this MOS transition in just 2 weeks.
School: 1009 Location: 3990 EAST BROAD STREET, COLUMBUS, OH
Course: 052-12B10 (R)
School: 1014 Location: 5411 LEESBURG RD, EASTOVER, SC
Course: 052-12B10 (R)
School: 1039 Location: 4417 HWY 20, DEVILS LAKE, ND
Course: 052-12B10 (R)
There are 2 USAR schools that also teach the 2 week version at Ligget and Leonard Wood, but neither one has classes this year.
But there are also 3 Guard compo RTIs that teach this MOS transition in just 2 weeks.
School: 1009 Location: 3990 EAST BROAD STREET, COLUMBUS, OH
Course: 052-12B10 (R)
School: 1014 Location: 5411 LEESBURG RD, EASTOVER, SC
Course: 052-12B10 (R)
School: 1039 Location: 4417 HWY 20, DEVILS LAKE, ND
Course: 052-12B10 (R)
There are 2 USAR schools that also teach the 2 week version at Ligget and Leonard Wood, but neither one has classes this year.
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CSM William Everroad
SGM (Join to see),
Correct, all seats for 12B reclass for this TY are full at FHL and FLW. SPC Jarred Ison might be getting booked for the OSUT (AD COMPO) because of that just to get into training this year.
But since OASS, I don't know why the recruiter just doesn't seat them in the NG ones, its effectively the same class.
If given the choice, don't go to Devil's Lake except in the summer.
Correct, all seats for 12B reclass for this TY are full at FHL and FLW. SPC Jarred Ison might be getting booked for the OSUT (AD COMPO) because of that just to get into training this year.
But since OASS, I don't know why the recruiter just doesn't seat them in the NG ones, its effectively the same class.
If given the choice, don't go to Devil's Lake except in the summer.
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I can only speak as a guardsmen. I went to MOS-T school at Camp Ravenna, Ohio for 12b and the class was 16 days. Two days for in process/out process and fourteen days of instruction. I got back in myself in 2023 in feb and just got back from another MOS-T course for 14g. However, this one was different from the 12b class because it also included active duty personnel from Campbell, Bragg, and Bliss.
That leads me to believe that they send people to where the classes are most available. In the past it seemed like the active side of the house would do everything possible not to mingle with the NG. Maybe manning issues are forcing their hand, or perhaps since the reserves are federal they just send more people to federal AIT to reclass. I was out for 3.5 years and didn't have to repeat basic, even though 14g school itself was as long as reception/bct.
Before the manning issues they were bouncing people between 3 and 5 years out (depending on whichever fiscal year you happened to try and reenlist) to repeat basic. I have no idea if that has recently changed. Lucky for me when I reenlisted they said it was back up to the five year mark before you had to repeat basic.
I think I remember some of the active guys saying their orders for the 14g reclass showed the AIT length for active duty or initial entry soldiers which was another five weeks tacked onto the eleven that we did at the RTI. However that wasn't the case. Their orders showed the 16 weeks, but we only did eleven. I don't know if this will be true for you,but since 12b is normally OSUT, maybe they are just showing you the same 14 weeks like they were showing the full 16 weeks for our AD guys for 14g.
That leads me to believe that they send people to where the classes are most available. In the past it seemed like the active side of the house would do everything possible not to mingle with the NG. Maybe manning issues are forcing their hand, or perhaps since the reserves are federal they just send more people to federal AIT to reclass. I was out for 3.5 years and didn't have to repeat basic, even though 14g school itself was as long as reception/bct.
Before the manning issues they were bouncing people between 3 and 5 years out (depending on whichever fiscal year you happened to try and reenlist) to repeat basic. I have no idea if that has recently changed. Lucky for me when I reenlisted they said it was back up to the five year mark before you had to repeat basic.
I think I remember some of the active guys saying their orders for the 14g reclass showed the AIT length for active duty or initial entry soldiers which was another five weeks tacked onto the eleven that we did at the RTI. However that wasn't the case. Their orders showed the 16 weeks, but we only did eleven. I don't know if this will be true for you,but since 12b is normally OSUT, maybe they are just showing you the same 14 weeks like they were showing the full 16 weeks for our AD guys for 14g.
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