Posted on Jul 30, 2015
Can I get a counseling for not responding to a text while asleep?
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5:17 received a text to report for a UA at 0630. I did not wake up to the text but answered the phone call I recieved at 0650. I am now getting a negative counseling for failure to report and can't find a regulation that enforces it
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You should definitely rebut the counseling statement. Especially if the sender is on a different network than you, text message timely delivery is NOT guaranteed. I would seriously take this higher as this is lazy leadership. They should have called you.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
Communication = Message Transmitted + Message Received & Understood. Today's definition of "received" seems to include "sitting in an inbox" which means the recipient may have not seen it yet.
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CAPT Don Bosch, EdD
MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca - I'd add that a lawful order must also be acknowledged and understood by the person to whom it is given. I'd definitely (and respectfully) rebut it up your chain of command. (edit: This also reminds me of the days many years ago in flight school when the command duty officer would leave middle-of-the-night messages on our answering machines [remember those!?] to show up for an early a.m. training flight. Normal day started at 0800 otherwise. Only an idiot ever checked his answering machine before 0700. I only did it once...)
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CPL, you certainly have a bullet for rebut. Your NCO should have called you instead of just texting you. Another question is raised in my head as to why you weren't called until 20 minutes AFTER you were to report. Had you been one of my Soldiers, I would not have been lazy to just text you, and I CERTAINLY would not have waited that long to call you. Your NCO should have called you @ 0630 asking why you were not present. But, to answer your question, technically yes you can get one since you were "notified" (and I will use that term loosely) of when and where to report and you failed to do so, as this (kind of) falls under "Failure to follow the orders of a Non-commissioned Officer". That being said, ENSURE that you write your rebut in the comment block that you are allowed to write in. Personally, your NCO FAILED you and FAILED in their duties. In the Army, one must choose when to fight certain fights, and I would recommend you fight this one. If need be, take this further up the chain if you need to.
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SSG Ray Strenkowski
I wouldn't classify a text message as notification and if I was this NCO's supervisor he'd be the one receiving counseling not the soldier.
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MSG (Join to see)
SSG Ray Strenkowski - Hence the quotation marks and the "technically." But I agree with you, this NCO would be a few pounds lighter after I was done.
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TSgt Denise Moody
Notification that is not confirmed, meaning recipient acknowledged receiving, IMO shouldn’t be the basis for a negative review. Besides the best time to tell someone to get a UA is when they report for duty.
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PFC Anthony Bruce
This reminds me of when I was in Iraq I was suppose to report for UA and didn't get notified (obviously no cell phones for us) I started getting ready for mission another team leader from my squad came in and asked what I was doing I said getting ready for mission he said no your suppose to go to the company for UA. My squad leader/team leader never owned up to failing to inform me the night before that I was suppose to report for it.
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No, but it's amazing what leaders get away with these days. I've gotten a negative counseling statement for talking to a chaplain and one for not reporting to duty because I was sick in quarters (on narcotics) and was not legally allowed to drive. I only got the counseling statement because the person who said they'd cover my duty, didn't show up. Somehow that was my fault.
You have to determine whether it's worth the hassle to fight it. My character screams yes, but after a few weeks or months of stress you might think differently. Use your chain of command, if that fails try IG. My personal experiences have been unsuccessful, but remember a negative counseling doesn't follow you.
You have to determine whether it's worth the hassle to fight it. My character screams yes, but after a few weeks or months of stress you might think differently. Use your chain of command, if that fails try IG. My personal experiences have been unsuccessful, but remember a negative counseling doesn't follow you.
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MSG (Join to see)
SGT Kristin Wiley - I do hope some good eventually came of that.....like the PSG getting fired or at least counseled about that BS.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
MSG (Join to see) I would hope so, but nothing was done to my knowledge. He went to warrant officer school when we got back so if anything was done it was behind the scenes and clearly did not affect his recommendation.
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CPL Eric Allen
Ah this brings back memories of why I got out higher a don't care about lowers and if they can hide it they will and will always get away with it
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