Posted on Oct 25, 2023
Should we be supporting wars in other countries?
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As we fight poverty, aging military equipment, horrible base living conditions, and vet homelessness should we be sending so much money overseas?
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I don't think we should be sending money to countries that hate us for one thing. I also don't think we should be buying anything from countries that hate us, and I think anybody that honestly knows what I'm talking about would agree.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
"Countries" do not "hate" anyone. Only some people in some countries may hate some other countries. I doubt the average rice farmer in China gives much thought toward the US.
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The overseas military aid talking point is a deflection. Those who argue for diverting spending to help veteran homelessness actually do not support funding those programs.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/aug/13/every-turn-republicans-undermine-veterans/
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/aug/13/every-turn-republicans-undermine-veterans/
How often do Republicans undermine veterans? Here’s a list
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CPT Lawrence Cable
LTC Joe Anderson Warning: Will Reply Abrasively, Cuastically, Crassly - I'll agree with most that you posted. However, the reason you don't find as much infighting in the Democratic Party or see reform candidates is that the DNC has much tighter control on both the pocketbook and the primaries. Get out of line, all the Super Delegates at the convention suddenly don't vote for you anymore. It's the reason that every candidate since Mondale has been Party Picked. Yes, especially Obama. I told people before the election what Obama was, a Mayor Dale Democratic Machine Politician. That's how he turned out too.
The Republican primary process is much more "Democratic", which is why you saw the Tea Party revolt in 2012, but nothing similar before and after in the Democratic Party. The present infighting in the Republican Party is really the last grasp of the old school "moderates", read RINO's, to maintain power in the House where the Party Majority is decidedly more Conservative and Populist. Now if they can just clean out the Senate.
If you couldn't tell, I'm with the rebels on this one. I was a card-carrying Libertarian for decades, they were the only Party that offered anything different between the other two Party's. That started to change in 2012. I wasn't incredibly impressed with Trump's first term, but realistically, I don't think he anticipated that he scared the crap out of so much of the Swamp that the Insiders and both party's leadership lined up to F**k him. OTOH, if he manages to get elected again, I'm buying about 10 lbs of popcorn and sitting in front of the TV for the first month after inauguration just to see what Payback is coming.
The Republican primary process is much more "Democratic", which is why you saw the Tea Party revolt in 2012, but nothing similar before and after in the Democratic Party. The present infighting in the Republican Party is really the last grasp of the old school "moderates", read RINO's, to maintain power in the House where the Party Majority is decidedly more Conservative and Populist. Now if they can just clean out the Senate.
If you couldn't tell, I'm with the rebels on this one. I was a card-carrying Libertarian for decades, they were the only Party that offered anything different between the other two Party's. That started to change in 2012. I wasn't incredibly impressed with Trump's first term, but realistically, I don't think he anticipated that he scared the crap out of so much of the Swamp that the Insiders and both party's leadership lined up to F**k him. OTOH, if he manages to get elected again, I'm buying about 10 lbs of popcorn and sitting in front of the TV for the first month after inauguration just to see what Payback is coming.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
LTC Joe Anderson Warning: Will Reply Abrasively, Cuastically, Crassly - I would rather see the party keep their fights public, the DNC keeps way too many secrets and control over party members. It helps that so much of the Legacy Media are effectively tools of the DNC, they can hide a bunch of stuff.
Where the Republican Party has made real strides is at the State level, where the Party now has a large majority in 30 states. And their administration of those states seems very favorable for the most part. I think that trend will continue as the Democrats slide further and further Left. The people that used to vote Democrat in this state haven't many choices since there isn't many Moderates left on that side.
I've never understood why Trump is so polarizing to the Democrats. He was and still is the typical New York/New Jersey businessman. You come in cussing and make an offer that is insulting, then sit down and cut a deal. I've dealt with them for years. Whether he would be effective or not now would be a function of how much of the Senate he actually controlled since I think he has a House majority in the bag.
BTW, you misspelled Caustically.
Where the Republican Party has made real strides is at the State level, where the Party now has a large majority in 30 states. And their administration of those states seems very favorable for the most part. I think that trend will continue as the Democrats slide further and further Left. The people that used to vote Democrat in this state haven't many choices since there isn't many Moderates left on that side.
I've never understood why Trump is so polarizing to the Democrats. He was and still is the typical New York/New Jersey businessman. You come in cussing and make an offer that is insulting, then sit down and cut a deal. I've dealt with them for years. Whether he would be effective or not now would be a function of how much of the Senate he actually controlled since I think he has a House majority in the bag.
BTW, you misspelled Caustically.
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Maj Bruce Miller
The claim that a 'party' does not support this or that is often made in reference to an omnibus bill with literally hundreds of lines of legislative material, and often some small benefit is written into the bill that benefits a politically popular group, such as veterans, and when the entire bill is voted down for completely different reasons....such as massive deficit spending on welfare programs.....the party promoting the bill will point and shout "see, they don't support veterans' (or disabled or seniors or children). This is a strategy Democrats have been using as long as I've been around.
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CPT Ian Stewart
LTC Joe Anderson - Sir, I read your earlier comments and can understand your position in general. However, I do have to take exception with one remark that you made - "Trump is the lesser of two evils." Seriously?
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MAJ Byron Oyler
Roosevelt came to power the same month as Hitler and had he been proactive we might have avoided that war.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
MAJ Byron Oyler - How should FDR have been "proactive?"
Keep in mind, up until 1941, most Americans opposed getting involved in European wars. In a 1939 poll, Americans were specifically asked if the U.S. should declare war on Germany in support of England, France and Poland and should deploy forces to assist those countries. Americans were strongly opposed, with 90% rejecting the idea and 8% in favor.
Other interesting facts:
https://news.gallup.com/vault/265865/gallup-vault-opinion-start-world-war.aspx
Keep in mind, up until 1941, most Americans opposed getting involved in European wars. In a 1939 poll, Americans were specifically asked if the U.S. should declare war on Germany in support of England, France and Poland and should deploy forces to assist those countries. Americans were strongly opposed, with 90% rejecting the idea and 8% in favor.
Other interesting facts:
https://news.gallup.com/vault/265865/gallup-vault-opinion-start-world-war.aspx
Gallup Vault: U.S. Opinion and the Start of World War II
On Sept. 1, 1939, Nazi Germany invaded Poland. At the time, Americans favored supporting the Poles, up to a point.
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