Posted on Jan 11, 2023
Besides separation, what are the options for officers who are passed over twice?
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Hi, I would like to bring this topic/question back since I am on this boat. Unfortunately, there is a possibility that I will be a two-time non-select.
I am an Army Reservist who would like to continue serving. Unfortunately, I did not complete my ILE on time. So my chances of getting promoted are slim to none.
From my understanding, Active Duty Officers can join the reserves... But since I am in the Reserves, what are my options? Can I join the IRR? Continue my service in a sister Service? Guard?
I am an Army Reservist who would like to continue serving. Unfortunately, I did not complete my ILE on time. So my chances of getting promoted are slim to none.
From my understanding, Active Duty Officers can join the reserves... But since I am in the Reserves, what are my options? Can I join the IRR? Continue my service in a sister Service? Guard?
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BLUF: You can stay in to 20 years.
For Majors in the USAR, “Removal from an active status will be on the LATER of the first day of the month after the month in which the officer completes 20 years of commissioned service, or the first day of the seventh month after the approval date of the promotion board report that non-selected the officer for the second time.” AR 135-175, paragraph 4-3(a)(5)(d).
Only caveat is that this provision only allows you to do 20 years, period. If any of those aren’t good years for retirement purposes it won’t allow you to stay in for that.
For Majors in the USAR, “Removal from an active status will be on the LATER of the first day of the month after the month in which the officer completes 20 years of commissioned service, or the first day of the seventh month after the approval date of the promotion board report that non-selected the officer for the second time.” AR 135-175, paragraph 4-3(a)(5)(d).
Only caveat is that this provision only allows you to do 20 years, period. If any of those aren’t good years for retirement purposes it won’t allow you to stay in for that.
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LTC (Join to see)
CW4 (Join to see) that’s a bit more complicated. Initially the same AR applies for Guard and Reserve warrants, its just paragraph (5)(a) instead of (5)(d). The removal for non-selection applies to WO1-CW3 (though slightly differently for WO1s).
If a CW2 or CW3 is not selected twice that isn’t necessarily the end, as you could then be eligible for selective continuation IAW AR 135-155.
If a CW2 or CW3 is not selected twice that isn’t necessarily the end, as you could then be eligible for selective continuation IAW AR 135-155.
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LTC (Join to see) Only allowed up to maximum of 20 years service still? Currently at 16 with only 14 good years towards retirement (2 IRR).
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LTC (Join to see)
CW4 (Join to see) - The 20 year exception is only for USAR Majors (when I said the same AR applied, I meant that's where the rules for each rank are found, probably should have been clearer about that). In your situation, if you have already been considered twice for CW4 you would need to go the SELCON route to stay in. Generally, those are announced in the same MILPER message as the selection board message. If you are successful in the SELCON it is for an additional three years. During that time, you continue to be considered for promotion, and you can go before additional SELCONs after the three years is up. Continuation under SELCON for a CW3 cannot exceed 20 years of warrant officer service, so assuming you have some prior enlisted time you could theoretically stay past twenty total.
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Having gone through this, check out other federal job options. My active duty as a captain terminated on a Sunday, and on Monday, I started my civil service job as a GS-12.
Retired from the reserves with 28 years.
Retired from the reserves with 28 years.
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1SG Marc Jensen
That changed under the Obama administration, you must now wait six months to go from uniformed to civilian service. There is a waiver process, but it typically takes six months....
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LCDR Jerry Maurer
1SG Marc Jensen - The waiver process was in place when I switched to a GS-11 position in 2001. A waiver at that time was only required if you were being hired at GS-12 or above, which is why I agreed to GS-11, so I wouldn't have to wait 6 months. But that might have changed with Mr. Obama.
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How long do you have in and is there an up or out in USAR for majors? When I commissioned major was indefinite and only the last few years did that change for the active component. I would check first for a hard up or out for majors in USAR.
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