Posted on Jul 8, 2015
How do I get soldiers of higher rank than myself to listen to me when assigned to a detail that I am in charge of?
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I currently work for an office which is in charge of setting up events for the division. I have run into a problem with a lot of people of higher rank not wanting to listen to me or second guessing me when they are assigned to a detail that I am in charge of. This will often continue even after I get my supervisor involved. Is there a way that I can handle this at my level with these people, or is getting my boss and hoping for the best my only real option.
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When I was on active duty, the platoon sergeant (E-7) would often task me with getting the getting the unit ready for an airborne operation -- making sure all the equipment was issued and that PCIs/PCCs were done. And, I had a lot of squad leaders (E-6s) who had to execute. As the RTO (E-4), the squad leaders didn't really have to listen to me . . . . Over the years as I've worked in company, battalion, and brigade TOCs, the same situation has come up again and again. I didn't have the rank to give an order. Yet, I needed to ensure certain things were done.
What I found very early on was that a dry erase board was my most potent tool. If you're "in charge" of something, you don't necessarily need to give orders to people who outrank you. You just have to write the tasks that need to be performed on a status board and simply indicate complete/incomplete with red and green colors. It's amazing how quickly people carry out tasks without ever being told to do so just to change the colors under their name on the status board from red to green.
You can adopt the same principle through powerpoint slides and email. Develop the tracker and send it out and then denote progress as things get done. I think you'll find that people who wouldn't do things you asked will suddenly do them without being asked simply because it's on a tracker. And, if they fail to do so, your superior can see the issue and address it directly.
What I found very early on was that a dry erase board was my most potent tool. If you're "in charge" of something, you don't necessarily need to give orders to people who outrank you. You just have to write the tasks that need to be performed on a status board and simply indicate complete/incomplete with red and green colors. It's amazing how quickly people carry out tasks without ever being told to do so just to change the colors under their name on the status board from red to green.
You can adopt the same principle through powerpoint slides and email. Develop the tracker and send it out and then denote progress as things get done. I think you'll find that people who wouldn't do things you asked will suddenly do them without being asked simply because it's on a tracker. And, if they fail to do so, your superior can see the issue and address it directly.
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LCpl Mark Lefler
I like the psychology behind your ideas, its giving orders without frontally giving orders.
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Capt Angela Brees
Excellent advice. I've used similar tactics when managing projects that involved folks senior to me, specifically spreadsheets that list all the tasks with assigned owners, and progress indicators. It definitely works, and can help prevent sensitivities while also holding folks accountable.
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The SGT has some excellent advice on your problem! You have been tasked with ensuring that certain things are completed, and if certain individuals don't want to listen to you because you're a lower rank, remind them of your responsibility (tactfully) and have a way to document their particular assignments!
Also, what the LCDR said about mentorship is paramount. I've not had good mentors in a very long time ("long time" by Army standards), and it's made things very tricky.
Also, what the LCDR said about mentorship is paramount. I've not had good mentors in a very long time ("long time" by Army standards), and it's made things very tricky.
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This is all very input. One thing that has worked for me and for my junior marines is the knowledge that billet supersedes rank. take the time to demonstrate and explain why your are put in te position you are in. Many higher ranks just see billets as a way for senior enlisted to hand down work but if you show them that your in that billet because of your proficiency level they will most likely work with you instead I against you. That's not fool proof it's just was has worked in the units I've worked with.
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SGT (Join to see) - Sounds like you work in the Protocol Office or something. Regardless, it also sounds like your office is tasked with coordinating support for events and rely on detailed troops to accomplish the required tasks.
The problem appears to me to be your understanding of who is in charge. The OIC/NCOIC of the detail is in charge of the work that detail does, while you are responsible for ensuring they are providing the support required. The support request should dictate that a supervisor will be provided with the detail (although that is a no-brainer for any unit sending support troops). Your coordination should be with that supervisor and, if you have problems with him/her, it should be brought up to your chain of command to deal with. If, as you state, it occurs even after getting your supervisor involved, let him/her know about that. You should not be put in a position where this is a problem, however, if everyone understands his/her authority and responsibility, problems such as you describe should not exist.
I have provided support troops to a great many activities. They work for the supervisors I send with them, and nobody else. Having said that, I expect that supervisor to do his/her best to accomplish the task IAW the desires of the person/office we are supporting.
The problem appears to me to be your understanding of who is in charge. The OIC/NCOIC of the detail is in charge of the work that detail does, while you are responsible for ensuring they are providing the support required. The support request should dictate that a supervisor will be provided with the detail (although that is a no-brainer for any unit sending support troops). Your coordination should be with that supervisor and, if you have problems with him/her, it should be brought up to your chain of command to deal with. If, as you state, it occurs even after getting your supervisor involved, let him/her know about that. You should not be put in a position where this is a problem, however, if everyone understands his/her authority and responsibility, problems such as you describe should not exist.
I have provided support troops to a great many activities. They work for the supervisors I send with them, and nobody else. Having said that, I expect that supervisor to do his/her best to accomplish the task IAW the desires of the person/office we are supporting.
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COL Jean (John) F. Burleson, With the details that we recieve the NCOIC is there to keep accountability of the soldiers assigned to the detail and to ensure that they perform the task that we assign to our standard which does get done just sometimes not very smoothly. These responsibilities are briefed in our G33's IPR's and when the details arrives to the event location.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
SGT (Join to see) - That is the way it is supposed to work. The detail NCOIC is responsible for accomplishment of the mission. You are there to ensure he/she understand the requirements. If you have issues wit the NCOIC, you should take it up the chain. Good luck, buddy... Just hang in there and do your best. Most soldiers are professional and will support you. Hopefully, the issues you describe are an anomaly and not the norm.
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Look for the most senior of the group, pull him/her aside and give this person a mission brief and put this person in charge, to include a written list of tasks to complete so they can be check off when done. This way you're using the chain of command and making this person feel like he/she is doing a leader's job. You'll find this works pretty well.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
Don't ask for the SNCO, find him/her, get them to the side and brief of the mission. Tell them, "MAJ (your OIC) asked me to brief you of the mission as he/she couldn't be here now." This way it seems like the orders are coming direct from the OIC not you. Once the mission is completed to specs, get the NCOIC's unit and info so you can get a Certificate of Appreciation made for him/her. Make sure it get sent out. This way you are getting your mission completed, taking care of soldiers and getting credit where credit is due. See if you can get the OIC to present the certificate in person, if not possible make sure it gets to his/her unit. One of the keys to leadership is not always giving commands, but knowing how to use the assets you have available and how to get the job done.
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PO2 Thomas Nichols
When I was in I did not put my superiors on the spot. If I was in charge of an event from my supervisor I got all involved who were to help and simply stated that this task was handed to me to ensure it gets done. If I was asked who wants it done I would then let them know who gave the task. Now as mentioned previously I did a list of things in the task and we picked what needed to be completed. Then we continued on with the list until it was done. You have to muster up a team working attitude to accomplish what needs to be done. Not always easy when your one of the lower men on the totem pole but it can be done.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
PO2 Thomas Nichols -
And that's leadership. There's more than one way to skin a cat, no matter how you do it, just so there's no holes in the hide! And this is what RP is all about. Us old farts putting out our experience to young guys can find some help!!
And that's leadership. There's more than one way to skin a cat, no matter how you do it, just so there's no holes in the hide! And this is what RP is all about. Us old farts putting out our experience to young guys can find some help!!
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