Posted on Jul 8, 2015
Is it fraternization between an E-4 and an E-5 if they are in a different unit?
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If a Sgt from a different unit hangs with a spc does that qualify as fratnazation? I read the reg but doesn't say anything about unit.
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According to the regulations, NCOs and non-NCO relationships would fall under fraternization, independent of what unit they are in. So CPL and SGT would be ok, but SPC and SGT would not according to AR 600-20, 4-14, same unit or not.
Simply "hanging out", as you described, may not however fall in the category of fraternization ("creating an actual or clearly predictable perception of undue familiarity").
More info on this discussion here:
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-you-date-a-person-of-a-higher-rank-in-a-completely-different-unit
Simply "hanging out", as you described, may not however fall in the category of fraternization ("creating an actual or clearly predictable perception of undue familiarity").
More info on this discussion here:
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-you-date-a-person-of-a-higher-rank-in-a-completely-different-unit
Can you date a person of a higher rank in a completely different unit? | RallyPoint
I see it all day everyday and can relate to it in my personal life. I know that dating in your chain of command is a no go. How about dating a person of a higher rank in a completely different unit? Officer or NCO with lower enlisted? Do you look down on the higher ranking individual? I'd like some input from others involved in a similar situation. Thanks.
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How I wish that the Army would get rid of the SPC/CPL nonsense, since all it takes for someone to change from one to the other is a 4187 produced locally at the Battalion level. I don't see the difference or need for having both, since in my experience most CPL's have been given as a gimme because someone cannot make points (this is of course in my non-combat arms world, I can see it being used properly in that world).
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"Hangs out"? Is this a romantic situation or simply friends?
I realize that is falls into the "non-NCO and NCO" realm of the regs, but I think most would be hard-pressed to make an issue of it given the proximity of rank. Now if it was a PVT and a SSG, that would raise a few more eyebrows.
I realize that is falls into the "non-NCO and NCO" realm of the regs, but I think most would be hard-pressed to make an issue of it given the proximity of rank. Now if it was a PVT and a SSG, that would raise a few more eyebrows.
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I do love how people discriminate between a romantic situation and simply friends. An improper relationship is still against the regulation, it doesn't discriminate. However, I do see your side of the story and agree.
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SSG Jordan Gaudard -
Quite right, but I believe that romance tends to influence folks more than friendship. The feelings run deeper therefore skewing ones judgment more. The heart is a tricky machine. :)
Quite right, but I believe that romance tends to influence folks more than friendship. The feelings run deeper therefore skewing ones judgment more. The heart is a tricky machine. :)
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I wouldn't consider it fraternizing unless the E-5 was in the E-4's direct chain-of-command. That's awfully nitpicky.
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