Posted on Jun 30, 2015
What are you thoughts on the removal of the 10 Commandments statue at the State Capitol in Oklahoma City?
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This is a complete outrage in my opinion! Do they really believe that removing the statue is necessary. I'm personally sick of everyone getting the darn feelings hurt of things are supposed to be in place. What is there thought process... If the statue isn't there they can do whatever they want. At the end God will take care of it all! I pray for healing in our Nation! God WE need your help!
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It doesn't belong there, get it out. If you want a theocracy, I suggest you try Iran.
The real question is why are YOU upset and have hurt feelings over it? Is your faith in God or the civil religion that is American Christianity? Would you equally advocate if another faith wanted to put something similar next to it?
The real question is why are YOU upset and have hurt feelings over it? Is your faith in God or the civil religion that is American Christianity? Would you equally advocate if another faith wanted to put something similar next to it?
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LCDR (Join to see)
I guess since I live in Oklahoma City, that makes me fully qualified to say I'm glad that statue is coming down. It didn't belong there.
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CPT Pedro Meza
LCDR (Join to see) - But the politicians in the capitol behave like devils and break most of the Commandments, perhaps a devil statue to mock the politicians is better.
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CPT Pedro Meza
SGT Jeremiah B. - But it was put up for political reasons to gain points, so religion is used to do the devils work.
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LCDR (Join to see)
Honestly, I'd be less offended by the Baphomet statue than by the Ten Commandments, and here's why: there's no reason to take Baphomet-worship seriously or expect that anybody might legislate based upon their feelings for it. No one takes it seriously. The whole point of it was, "If you get your religious icon, we get ours. Ours is going to be as irritating and offensive to you as it possibly can be, just so you see how ridiculous it is to have a religious icon on government property." I say good for them. The Ten Commandments (and any other religious sign or affiliation) has no place anywhere in or near my government.
"I am the Lord, thy God." - Nope. Fairy tales aren't real, and I don't have a "God."
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me." - I prefer no gods at all, including YHWH
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image." - Laughable. Jealous, much?
"Thou shalt not take the name of thy Lord God in vain." - False. I'll say what I want.
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." - I'll do what I want on Sunday, bruh.
"Honor thy father and mother." - What if they're assholes? Seems stupid. Nope.
"Thou shalt not kill." - I guess we're all in the wrong line of work.
"Thou shalt not commit adultery." - Finally, one I agree with.
"Thou shalt not steal." - I like this one, too. We're on a roll, here.
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house/wife/possessions." - Stupid. Everybody needs goals in life, and there's nothing wrong with wanting a nicer house or possessions, or even coveting your neighbor's hot wife, so long as you're not trying to kill him to take his shit or actually trying to sleep with his wife. Covet all you want.
So, of the 10 commandments, there are 3 I reasonably agree with and one of those is counter to my career, leaving me with 2 I can legitimately get behind.
Yeah, I'll take the Baphomet statue over those.
"I am the Lord, thy God." - Nope. Fairy tales aren't real, and I don't have a "God."
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me." - I prefer no gods at all, including YHWH
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image." - Laughable. Jealous, much?
"Thou shalt not take the name of thy Lord God in vain." - False. I'll say what I want.
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." - I'll do what I want on Sunday, bruh.
"Honor thy father and mother." - What if they're assholes? Seems stupid. Nope.
"Thou shalt not kill." - I guess we're all in the wrong line of work.
"Thou shalt not commit adultery." - Finally, one I agree with.
"Thou shalt not steal." - I like this one, too. We're on a roll, here.
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house/wife/possessions." - Stupid. Everybody needs goals in life, and there's nothing wrong with wanting a nicer house or possessions, or even coveting your neighbor's hot wife, so long as you're not trying to kill him to take his shit or actually trying to sleep with his wife. Covet all you want.
So, of the 10 commandments, there are 3 I reasonably agree with and one of those is counter to my career, leaving me with 2 I can legitimately get behind.
Yeah, I'll take the Baphomet statue over those.
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LTC (Join to see) I totally agree. I understand the need for the seperation of church and state (or) Government, but that is a little ridiculous.
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CMSgt Mark Schubert
SGT Jeremiah B.
Well, maybe as political pawn, some could say that, but there's evidence to support the fact that God meant something different during that time than it does now.. :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_national_motto
I'm sure a poll would prove that there are more people "offended" by these things today (as evidenced by the OP) than there were just 59 years ago!
Well, maybe as political pawn, some could say that, but there's evidence to support the fact that God meant something different during that time than it does now.. :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_national_motto
I'm sure a poll would prove that there are more people "offended" by these things today (as evidenced by the OP) than there were just 59 years ago!
United States national motto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The modern motto of the United States of America, as established in a 1956 law signed by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, is In God we trust.[1][2] [3] The phrase "In God we trust" as a motto for currency (but not as a national motto) first appeared on United States coins in 1964.[2]
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SGT Jeremiah B.
CMSgt Mark Schubert, I would contend that one of the greatest destructive events to Christianity was the implementation of "civil religion." I would also content that God gets pretty pissed off at being used as a political pawn to prop up ideological positions or nation states.
Also, from a sociological standpoint, being anything but protestant Christian was pretty awful until fairly recently. Hell, there was a not insignificant chunk of people who refused to vote for Romney because he was Mormon. We are definitely shifting away from a period where everyone claimed to be Christian whether or not that actually meant anything real to them, but I'm okay with that.
Also, from a sociological standpoint, being anything but protestant Christian was pretty awful until fairly recently. Hell, there was a not insignificant chunk of people who refused to vote for Romney because he was Mormon. We are definitely shifting away from a period where everyone claimed to be Christian whether or not that actually meant anything real to them, but I'm okay with that.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
SGT Jeremiah B. - when the US was formed...they used coins...and in 1787 The US Bank of America was formed and they began producing paper money...but it was from the bank and payable by the bank.
In 1863 with the enactment of the National Banking Act during the civil war, the dollar became sole currency...however dollars were measured in Gold and Silver currency ...which in 1957 lead to changing the dollar from Silver or gold currency to the paper dollar the way it is now...The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861
t was found that the Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States. This meant that the mint could make no changes without the enactment of additional legislation by the Congress. In December 1863, the Director of the Mint submitted designs for new one-cent coin, two-cent coin, and three-cent coin to Secretary Chase for approval. He proposed that upon the designs either OUR COUNTRY; OUR GOD or GOD, OUR TRUST should appear as a motto on the coins
A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957.
just because it didn't show up on paper money till 1957, it's been on coins since the 1800's.
Putting In God we Trust onto Paper money was not because of this Red Scare..The phrase appears to have originated in "The Star-Spangled Banner", written during the War of 1812. The fourth stanza includes the phrase, "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust.'" According to Ted Alexander, Chief Historian at Antietam National Battlefield, the contracted "In God We Trust" was first used by the 125th Pennsylvania Infantry as a battle cry on September 17, 1862, during the Battle of Antietam of the American Civil War.[8][9].up till this time paper money was measured in the weight of Silver and Gold and the money kept changing....since the "in God we Trust" was already standard on silver and gold coins and since at this time the use of silver and gold coins were too heavy...too costly and too everything else...it was decided that paper money would be the best use and therefore they changed paper money and now it had nothing to do with the weight of gold and silver....and in God we trust was put on the paper money....to replace the gold and silver coins.
A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) was converting to the dry intaglio printing process. During this conversion, it gradually included IN GOD WE TRUST in the back design of all classes and denominations of currency.
In 1863 with the enactment of the National Banking Act during the civil war, the dollar became sole currency...however dollars were measured in Gold and Silver currency ...which in 1957 lead to changing the dollar from Silver or gold currency to the paper dollar the way it is now...The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861
t was found that the Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States. This meant that the mint could make no changes without the enactment of additional legislation by the Congress. In December 1863, the Director of the Mint submitted designs for new one-cent coin, two-cent coin, and three-cent coin to Secretary Chase for approval. He proposed that upon the designs either OUR COUNTRY; OUR GOD or GOD, OUR TRUST should appear as a motto on the coins
A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957.
just because it didn't show up on paper money till 1957, it's been on coins since the 1800's.
Putting In God we Trust onto Paper money was not because of this Red Scare..The phrase appears to have originated in "The Star-Spangled Banner", written during the War of 1812. The fourth stanza includes the phrase, "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust.'" According to Ted Alexander, Chief Historian at Antietam National Battlefield, the contracted "In God We Trust" was first used by the 125th Pennsylvania Infantry as a battle cry on September 17, 1862, during the Battle of Antietam of the American Civil War.[8][9].up till this time paper money was measured in the weight of Silver and Gold and the money kept changing....since the "in God we Trust" was already standard on silver and gold coins and since at this time the use of silver and gold coins were too heavy...too costly and too everything else...it was decided that paper money would be the best use and therefore they changed paper money and now it had nothing to do with the weight of gold and silver....and in God we trust was put on the paper money....to replace the gold and silver coins.
A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) was converting to the dry intaglio printing process. During this conversion, it gradually included IN GOD WE TRUST in the back design of all classes and denominations of currency.
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CPT Pedro Meza
Sgt Kelli Mays - you pointed out that is was decide by Mr. Chase in 1863 and finally approved in 1957, what caused the lapse in time and the decision to coincide with the Big Red scare. Both of you are correct.
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Federal government is micromanaging the state's way to much so to not butt hurt ppl!!!! Stupidity is what I call it!!!
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CPT Pedro Meza
The statue was put up in 2012 by a senator using religion and its detractors to win votes, in essence he use it for selfish reasons knowing that he was violating both US and State law. It needs to be removed.
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