Posted on Jul 11, 2022
What actions are expected after lying to E-5 and E-6?
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Lied to my E-5 about being in the hospital when I was suppose to sign out on leave. So I was suppose to sign out after 12am on that day but didn’t due to me having a severe flare up. I had only been in this unit for a week (recent pcs) and didn’t want to explain to them that I had been home the entire night sick and forgot to sign out. When my E-5 called the last thing I had on my mind was signing out when I was in pain and tired, so when she asked me why I didn’t sign out I panicked and lied. Now I’m not sure what’s next because they’re asking for paperwork but I’m tempted to just come clean.
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Lies are like old fish in that they only get more noticeable with age. This is literally one of the simplest and easiest to fix things in the world. You're in the Infantry, accept your screw up, do the push-ups, and move forward with life. When you become a more experienced NCO you'll realize that everyone around you is screwing up constantly and your job is to keep them all from accidentally killing themselves by eating lead paint chips or marrying strippers and then moving them into the barracks. Forgetting to sign out on leave is a 1 out of 10 on the screw up scale.
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CSM William Everroad
CPL (Join to see) this is probably the best response. You will accrue a ton of life lessons throughout your career by making mistakes. Like, "Bad news doesn't get better with age". Most Leaders will accept that we will all drop a ball from time to time, or FUBAR a task or assignment. like SFC (Join to see) pointed out it is kinda expected. The time to do this is now while you are still learning and shaping your own leadership style. Know that there may be consequences, it takes integrity to own up to a mistake and being prepared for what comes after. You are tempted to come clean because there is honor in you. Follow your gut.
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So, you were in pain and tired which caused you to NOT sign out after midnight? Last I checked, a Soldier does not have to sign out at 0001 hours the day they are to start Leave so long as they sign out on that day prior to work call. Unless, of course, there is a local policy dictating you are to sign out at 0001 hours. Now, on to the issue at hand.
You lied to your NCO as to why you didn't sign out. You lied to your NCO as to your location regarding why you didn't sign out. So, you provided false statement.
I HIGHLY suggest you come clean and admit to your NCOs that you lied to them as to why you didn't sign out. Now, you could possibly face UCMJ for violating Article 91 and Article 134. Or, you could possibly face just a verbal reprimand. Either way, a Counseling needs to be done. I say this because the truth will eventually come out that you were not in the hospital.
Again, the issue is not that you didn't sign out when you were "supposed to," but that you lied to your NCOs.
Come clean. Tell the truth. Take the lumps that come.
You lied to your NCO as to why you didn't sign out. You lied to your NCO as to your location regarding why you didn't sign out. So, you provided false statement.
I HIGHLY suggest you come clean and admit to your NCOs that you lied to them as to why you didn't sign out. Now, you could possibly face UCMJ for violating Article 91 and Article 134. Or, you could possibly face just a verbal reprimand. Either way, a Counseling needs to be done. I say this because the truth will eventually come out that you were not in the hospital.
Again, the issue is not that you didn't sign out when you were "supposed to," but that you lied to your NCOs.
Come clean. Tell the truth. Take the lumps that come.
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You are a NCO yourself, how would you react and feel if one of your soldiers did the same to you? Come clean and deal with it... Army Values and all, I guess...
And above all, we all make mistakes, just learn from this one and move on!
And above all, we all make mistakes, just learn from this one and move on!
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