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Do you think the way evaluation ranking are fair in the navy? Ive heard people say this person deserves a EP over others just because he is currently eligible for the next pay grade. I know alot more goes into it, it just seems like if your not part of the GOBC then your at a disadvantage no matter what you do.
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As an Army officer who has served a lot in tri-service settings, I have HUGE issues with the Navy eval system. It encourages sailors to basically screw over each other because it's a competition. I've found it to be completely opposite and disruptive of overall mission objectives. In fact, mission can be compromised because you have junior officers trying to back stab each other to ensure they get top ranking. In the Army, we say "one team, one fight". From what I've seen in the Navy, it's "defeat your peers and you win".
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As most others have said, the eval system is bullshit. My first veal as an E-6 was written out to make me look like an all-star, yet I was a P. The fact that guys were getting EP's based only on the fact the were LPO's (and doing less than a shit show of a job at it).
Also, they way that senior leadership tries to justify it leads a lot of sailors to thinking that their work ethic is worthless and the more ass-kissing they do, the more the will succeed. I would get yelled at for writing my guys evals up and being honest if they where a POS. Every time this happened I was told I couldn't do that cause the command didn't want to see those kinds of things.
Ok, that is the end of my rant.
Also, they way that senior leadership tries to justify it leads a lot of sailors to thinking that their work ethic is worthless and the more ass-kissing they do, the more the will succeed. I would get yelled at for writing my guys evals up and being honest if they where a POS. Every time this happened I was told I couldn't do that cause the command didn't want to see those kinds of things.
Ok, that is the end of my rant.
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I've had a few "reporting seniors" who would order me to take certain things out of Sailors' evals because they were afraid the member would submit a statement. effing BS.
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Although I agree with the consensus that no evaluation system is perfect (per Deming, they shouldn't be scheduled or formalized, but documented when someone does a really good job--if all evals were like LOAs, they might work better).
It's a zero-sum game, where there are some winners and some losers by percentile. I know they were trying to address perceived inequities--i.e., almost everyone was a 4.0 Sailor under the previous system--but that's what happens when bureaucrats get their hands on statistical measures--not realizing that statistics are a measure of probability--and not actuality nor certainty. The system can--and often is--used for reprisals against Sailors who do what's morally right, but politically undesirable, and the system is too easily 'gamed' by people who see it for what it is. Also, using PT scores and breakpoints for who can be promoted and who can't is simply idiotic--when you consider that the fitness standards were created by some bureaucrat at BUPERS, and really have nothing to do with fitness. Standards of health and suitability to serve should always be squarely under the cognizance of BUMED, and BUPERS should have no say in them. The right would be for each command to be given their percentage of promotions, and let all promotions be 'field promotions' but supervisors who are actually witness to a Sailors' performance.
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