Posted on Jun 16, 2015
Do you believe Veteran's Organizations are beneficial to Veterans only, Veterans and Current Service Members, or no one at all?
33.1K
247
96
15
15
0
I have recently joined some Veterans Organizations and am surprised that more veterans are not members. Many of the benefits (especially for military retirees) we enjoy are due to the efforts of these organizations. I realize that some local organizations are better organized, have a larger membership, and/or are more active in the community, but nothing can be done without the support of the membership. Some organizations even give out "free" memberships (for a year) to returning vets from OIF or OEF. Most memberships cost about $30-40 a year and ask only one night a month to meet. Seems a small cost for all that they have done for me.
But how does everyone else feel about it? I'm sure others have had different experiences (some good, some bad) with their local organizations. Not looking to bash any particular group; just curious about your overall opinion of the value and effectiveness of these groups. Maybe there's some stereotypes that need to be changed. Thoughts???
But how does everyone else feel about it? I'm sure others have had different experiences (some good, some bad) with their local organizations. Not looking to bash any particular group; just curious about your overall opinion of the value and effectiveness of these groups. Maybe there's some stereotypes that need to be changed. Thoughts???
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 38
Well as you can tell by my hat I belong to at least on VSO Organization. I am a member of the VFW, DAV and the American Legion.
All assist veterans, their families and active military. As for what you get out of being a member, well like anything in life you get out of it what you put into it.
Fact is the true "power" of a VSO is in it's membership numbers. The more members the larger the voice.
Remember active duty members can NOT advocate for themselves at all, therefore we become the voice that has their back until they transition to veteran status.
All assist veterans, their families and active military. As for what you get out of being a member, well like anything in life you get out of it what you put into it.
Fact is the true "power" of a VSO is in it's membership numbers. The more members the larger the voice.
Remember active duty members can NOT advocate for themselves at all, therefore we become the voice that has their back until they transition to veteran status.
(12)
(0)
PO3 Jody Wangen
I went to boot after Grenada and got out before Desert Storm. do not qualify for VFW or Legion. missed it by a couple of months on either end.
(0)
(0)
SPC Allison Joy Cumming
Jody, do you have family members that served during conflict? If so you would qualify for the Auxiliary.
(0)
(0)
All VSO's had helped every veteran and their family in need. There are some that are highly qualified in what they do best. Membership, VA Claims, Representation as the veterans Power of Attorney and so on. I have worked with most of the Big Guns. DAV, VFW, PVA, AMVETS, American Legion, Blind Veterans, Purple Heart, NACVSO, Fleet Reserve Ass., State of California and Hawaii. Ex-POW's and the County of San Diego. Look at what the VSO's bring to the table for the veterans and their families. That's your answer you will be seeking.
S/F,
JK
S/F,
JK
(9)
(0)
PO3 Bob Walsh
CWO3 James Kaupe, SPC Allison Joy Cunning:
You are so right. What is needed is a VSO Coordinator, along the lines of a PR Person, to summarize the important issues and prepare a release to the VSOs for publication in VSOs news letter or monthly publication. I think Rally Point would be a good platform for this type of service. Veterans need to be heard, and the messenger should be a Veteran.
You are so right. What is needed is a VSO Coordinator, along the lines of a PR Person, to summarize the important issues and prepare a release to the VSOs for publication in VSOs news letter or monthly publication. I think Rally Point would be a good platform for this type of service. Veterans need to be heard, and the messenger should be a Veteran.
(1)
(0)
Hello "Brothers and Sisters in Arms",
I apologize now this will likely be a long post.
VSOs in general have a uphill battle against the current culture of our nation. VSOs were largely founded on an all but gone community culture that many veterans of previous conflict/wars shared. This is the reason most VSOs need to make changes to accommodate younger veterans, the old ways need to change with the culture.
Before I joined my local VFW almost 2 years ago, I did some research on the current status of VSOs and how they were fairing in the current national culture. What I found very quickly is that most if not all VSOs were shrinking in overall membership and many post were closing due to low membership and low activity.
I’ll give you a brief background about me to show you my prospective. I served 18 years US Army – Medical Discharged for lower back injury in the line of duty, 30% disability rating from VA, BA in Business Admin. – Marketing, MA in Business and Organizational Security Management.
I moved from Southern California to North Idaho in April of 2013. During that long drive I made a decision to be part of the community I live in rather than just live in the community. I decided months later to join the VFW in my community. So I looked up the nearest post and found via the website when there post meeting were. So I show up and as soon as I walk in the door, everyone in the room turns and looks at me. One of the members asked “Are you a member?” I replied “not yet”. I quickly got a reply “you cannot come in; this is a members only meeting”. I turned and left the room, a membered followed me out and gave me quick explanation why I was not allowed to attend and that he did not have time to see to making me a member right now. There were only about 10 members in the room and only one of them was below the age of 50. I came back on another day and paid my dues and became a “card carrying member”. From there I attend most of the VFW functions and quickly became a “pain in the arse” to many of the older members, with my new ideas and spitfire attitude.
Looking back I understand that many posts will come off with the good ol’ boy attitude, but sticking with it will often times overcome that built in culture. I also found that when I gave an idea that I needed to back it up with action and reap the respect from its success. Over the last 19 months, I have been given enough rope to hang myself and instead used that rope to make a bridge between the post and our community. Here are some of the new things our post has done in the last 18 months and the out comes from those events:
Hosted a Game convention in alliance with our local Game store
60 people attended and the event made the front page of the paper.
The post made over $18,000 dollars in donations and donated over $18,000 to veterans in our community. There were no 30% costs or administration fees put on this money. Every dime we were donated went back to the veterans in our community.
We supported Women Warrior Retreat and recruited several female veterans.
We planned and will hold our first Veteran Family Retreat this weekend, in hopes of making it an annual event.
From these events and activities I have learned that activity breeds activity. The older the average age of a post is the more difficult it will be to stay activity in the community. So recruiting members is and will always be the life blood of VSOs. If you are not getting new “younger” members, your post is effectively dying a slow death. As you all know many posts have a bar that at one point in time with the “best watering hole in town”. That watering hole is now all dried up! The younger veterans that would be considered the market for VSOs are in the stage of their life that they have kids and jobs, alcohol though legal is not the preferred method of building loyalty with a veteran family. In my opinion the posts that perpetuation the stereo typical of veterans wasting their days away drinking and smoking at the “Watering hole” is doing more damage to VSOs than anything else. VSOs must be active in their community or they will waste away.
Some of the ways a post can be active in its community are: providing a Veteran Family Retreat, putting on a month Family movie night, have a weekly coffee and donut (free) where all veterans are welcome. This is just a few ways to move in the right direction, I’m sure there are many more. I would enjoy hearing about them.
Since joining the VFW, I have been placed/voted into several positions: Post Jr Vice, Post Sr Vice, District QM and District Chief Recruiter, I also attended the state conventions, I decided to focus on my community rather than focus on trying to move up the chairs in district. As many of you know VSOs are a bureaucracy and that means “Red Tape” and paper work. After holding the positions, I understand the need for the paper work. My goal is to change my community’s view of the VFW and provide for the veterans in my community. VSOs are a community based organization and that being said they add value to their community or they will go away.
Thank you for taking the time to read this lengthy post and if you are in need of direction when it comes to a VSO please feel free to contact me.
I apologize now this will likely be a long post.
VSOs in general have a uphill battle against the current culture of our nation. VSOs were largely founded on an all but gone community culture that many veterans of previous conflict/wars shared. This is the reason most VSOs need to make changes to accommodate younger veterans, the old ways need to change with the culture.
Before I joined my local VFW almost 2 years ago, I did some research on the current status of VSOs and how they were fairing in the current national culture. What I found very quickly is that most if not all VSOs were shrinking in overall membership and many post were closing due to low membership and low activity.
I’ll give you a brief background about me to show you my prospective. I served 18 years US Army – Medical Discharged for lower back injury in the line of duty, 30% disability rating from VA, BA in Business Admin. – Marketing, MA in Business and Organizational Security Management.
I moved from Southern California to North Idaho in April of 2013. During that long drive I made a decision to be part of the community I live in rather than just live in the community. I decided months later to join the VFW in my community. So I looked up the nearest post and found via the website when there post meeting were. So I show up and as soon as I walk in the door, everyone in the room turns and looks at me. One of the members asked “Are you a member?” I replied “not yet”. I quickly got a reply “you cannot come in; this is a members only meeting”. I turned and left the room, a membered followed me out and gave me quick explanation why I was not allowed to attend and that he did not have time to see to making me a member right now. There were only about 10 members in the room and only one of them was below the age of 50. I came back on another day and paid my dues and became a “card carrying member”. From there I attend most of the VFW functions and quickly became a “pain in the arse” to many of the older members, with my new ideas and spitfire attitude.
Looking back I understand that many posts will come off with the good ol’ boy attitude, but sticking with it will often times overcome that built in culture. I also found that when I gave an idea that I needed to back it up with action and reap the respect from its success. Over the last 19 months, I have been given enough rope to hang myself and instead used that rope to make a bridge between the post and our community. Here are some of the new things our post has done in the last 18 months and the out comes from those events:
Hosted a Game convention in alliance with our local Game store
60 people attended and the event made the front page of the paper.
The post made over $18,000 dollars in donations and donated over $18,000 to veterans in our community. There were no 30% costs or administration fees put on this money. Every dime we were donated went back to the veterans in our community.
We supported Women Warrior Retreat and recruited several female veterans.
We planned and will hold our first Veteran Family Retreat this weekend, in hopes of making it an annual event.
From these events and activities I have learned that activity breeds activity. The older the average age of a post is the more difficult it will be to stay activity in the community. So recruiting members is and will always be the life blood of VSOs. If you are not getting new “younger” members, your post is effectively dying a slow death. As you all know many posts have a bar that at one point in time with the “best watering hole in town”. That watering hole is now all dried up! The younger veterans that would be considered the market for VSOs are in the stage of their life that they have kids and jobs, alcohol though legal is not the preferred method of building loyalty with a veteran family. In my opinion the posts that perpetuation the stereo typical of veterans wasting their days away drinking and smoking at the “Watering hole” is doing more damage to VSOs than anything else. VSOs must be active in their community or they will waste away.
Some of the ways a post can be active in its community are: providing a Veteran Family Retreat, putting on a month Family movie night, have a weekly coffee and donut (free) where all veterans are welcome. This is just a few ways to move in the right direction, I’m sure there are many more. I would enjoy hearing about them.
Since joining the VFW, I have been placed/voted into several positions: Post Jr Vice, Post Sr Vice, District QM and District Chief Recruiter, I also attended the state conventions, I decided to focus on my community rather than focus on trying to move up the chairs in district. As many of you know VSOs are a bureaucracy and that means “Red Tape” and paper work. After holding the positions, I understand the need for the paper work. My goal is to change my community’s view of the VFW and provide for the veterans in my community. VSOs are a community based organization and that being said they add value to their community or they will go away.
Thank you for taking the time to read this lengthy post and if you are in need of direction when it comes to a VSO please feel free to contact me.
(6)
(0)
Read This Next