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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/obama-said-to-consider-more-us-troops-to-train-iraqi-forces/ar-BBkTrkC
They are spending their efforts in the wrong way. Contrary to popular belief, Ramadi didn't fall because of poor training. They held it for 17 months. It fall because they ran out of ammo. They don't need to train more troops when there isn't enough ammo for the troops that they have. And now they want to train the Iraqi tribes? Where are they going to get their ammo? Ridiculous!
I suppose that we do still need to train more troops there, but what they really need to do now is to send more supplies along with some higher level advisors to oversee the Iraqi command and control, logistics and the use of equipment that we supply. This will not only keep them from misusing it corruptly, it will give us a certain measure of control over our investment, since those trainers will help them, monitor usage, and be a stipulation to further supplies.
The other area we really need to improve in is intelligence. What was a total failure about Ramadi, is the fact that it completely blind sided us. Now this is where the tribes can really come in. Start training some of them to collect intelligence for us along with some of the more reliable ISF as supervisors. Eventually they can pick up the program where we left off. The key here is to have a good intelligence exchange. Give them intelligence that only U.S. SIGINT and air can produce (along with the support above), in exchange for HUMINT from the tribes. To start we are going to have to stop being penny wise and pound foolish about our own intelligence spending.
They are spending their efforts in the wrong way. Contrary to popular belief, Ramadi didn't fall because of poor training. They held it for 17 months. It fall because they ran out of ammo. They don't need to train more troops when there isn't enough ammo for the troops that they have. And now they want to train the Iraqi tribes? Where are they going to get their ammo? Ridiculous!
I suppose that we do still need to train more troops there, but what they really need to do now is to send more supplies along with some higher level advisors to oversee the Iraqi command and control, logistics and the use of equipment that we supply. This will not only keep them from misusing it corruptly, it will give us a certain measure of control over our investment, since those trainers will help them, monitor usage, and be a stipulation to further supplies.
The other area we really need to improve in is intelligence. What was a total failure about Ramadi, is the fact that it completely blind sided us. Now this is where the tribes can really come in. Start training some of them to collect intelligence for us along with some of the more reliable ISF as supervisors. Eventually they can pick up the program where we left off. The key here is to have a good intelligence exchange. Give them intelligence that only U.S. SIGINT and air can produce (along with the support above), in exchange for HUMINT from the tribes. To start we are going to have to stop being penny wise and pound foolish about our own intelligence spending.
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If we are on a mission creep, lets be real and call it what it is...Either eliminate the evil forces of Isis, or suffer multitudes of consequences.
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So what you're saying is that the Iraqi Army is sufficiently trained, they need ammo and supplies to continue the fight.
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Sgt Andre Vaillancourt
No, not exactly. I am saying that it doesn't to very much good to continue training them if they don't have the supplies to continue to fight. Right now I believe that should be a priority.
I do admit that they do likely need more troops and improved training, but how many is a tough assessment with poor intelligence on ISIS' strength. Hence intelligence really needs to be another priority as well, in my estimation anyway.
I do admit that they do likely need more troops and improved training, but how many is a tough assessment with poor intelligence on ISIS' strength. Hence intelligence really needs to be another priority as well, in my estimation anyway.
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Sgt Andre Vaillancourt
I know. They really sucked in most parts of the country when ISIS first came in. But they didn't hold Ramadi for 17 months by just doing that, and they didn't have much ammo to leave behind, which is why they left.
It seems that the new advisor plan is more along the lines of what I suggested than it originally seemed, now that there is more reporting out on it:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/obama%e2%80%99s-new-plan-against-isis-signals-that-us-still-in-for-a-long-war-in-iraq/ar-BBkWjuc
It seems that the new advisor plan is more along the lines of what I suggested than it originally seemed, now that there is more reporting out on it:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/obama%e2%80%99s-new-plan-against-isis-signals-that-us-still-in-for-a-long-war-in-iraq/ar-BBkWjuc
Obama’s new plan against ISIS signals that U.S. still in for a long war in Iraq
President Obama’s announcement Wednesday that he is sending 450 more military advisers to Iraq highlights the central dilemma of his faltering strategy there: how to shore up the country’s fragile government without being pulled...
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