Posted on Jun 9, 2015
Why Does the Army Call NCOs "Sergeant" and Officers "Sir"?
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Throughout my Army career, I have been taught that we refer to NCOs as "Sergeant" (or, beginning with Master Sergeant, their full rank) but we refer to Officers as "Sir" or "Ma'am." However, recently I was challened by an E-9 in the Air Force (Chief Master Sergeant, I think) to find out more about this. Is this simply the unwritten rule, a part of Army customs and courtesies? And, if it is, where did this come from? Or is this actually written somewhere, in a regulation I have not found yet?
Note that at no point am I saying this is incorrect. I am just trying to get some actual facts on the tradition, so that, as an NCO, I know more about the facts behind the traditions/customs/courtesies.
Note that at no point am I saying this is incorrect. I am just trying to get some actual facts on the tradition, so that, as an NCO, I know more about the facts behind the traditions/customs/courtesies.
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Responses: 22
Because if you called an Army Officer, "Sergeant" it would confuse him for months!
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SGT William Howell
At some point in your career you will be find when you can ditch "Sir" for "L.T." or "Cap'n" and only use the formal for Field Grade or officers not in your chain. The most important thing to always know is that "Sarge" is never ok to use.
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SFC (Join to see), I don't know its origin, but it is regulation. AR 600-20, table 1-1 provides the titles of address (e.g., Sergeant First Class = Sergeant), and AR 600-25 provides the appropriate greetings (e.g., "Good morning, Ma'am."). *EDIT* In case you weren't aware, the title of address for Master Sergeant is "Sergeant", not "Master Sergeant."
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CW3 (Join to see)
Chief vs Sir. This one cracks me up too. The answer can also be found in AR 600-20. Thanks for sharing SGT (Join to see) ! This is a good piece of information for all of us. We need to preserve our traditions and stick to the AR as closely as possible.
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SFC (Join to see)
Sergeant , I earned that title and if you call me sir ill be quick to let you know " I work for a living, its Sergeant".
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Sgt Donald Chalfy
SFC (Join to see) - Yup. Call any Marine enlisted sir and prepare for a 2nd degree wind burn, resplendent with foreign food particles and spit, usually starting with "don't F*kn call me a F*kn officer ya F*kn boot," followed a lexicon of profanity that will melt anyone's ears in the vicinity, and of course, ending with "I work for a F*kn living".
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Edward Samsen
Sgt Donald Chalfy - You can expect a similar tirade of "salty" language from Chief Petty Officers ,SCPOs and MCPOs
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Close answers...read my book Sovereigns, Dynasties, and Nobility available on Amazon. As with many things in history, much depends on your chosen snapshot in time. By the time of the 11th Century, "Sire" was the term generally offered to most male nobles in Europe including serf-knights. The term eventually morphed into "sir" and was applied to the merchant class and gentry. People who model their beliefs on Hollywood notions thus link 'sir" as in Sir Lancelot; however, the correct term was "sire". By the 16th Century, military officers still tended to be from noble/upper class families and were customarily referred to as "Sir".
Similarly, "Ma'am" or "Madame" was a term originally applied to noble or royal ladies (Baroness and higher).
The position/rank/term of "Sergeant" also had different meanings in different times, from Sergeant Knights/at arms (Sergeant at arms) to Sergeant Major Generals....in such cases the "title" or "rank" was applied in cases when the term "sir" or "sire" did not apply, as in the case of lower knights and squires.
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Similarly, "Ma'am" or "Madame" was a term originally applied to noble or royal ladies (Baroness and higher).
The position/rank/term of "Sergeant" also had different meanings in different times, from Sergeant Knights/at arms (Sergeant at arms) to Sergeant Major Generals....in such cases the "title" or "rank" was applied in cases when the term "sir" or "sire" did not apply, as in the case of lower knights and squires.
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SSG (Join to see)
SGM (Join to see), I was researching this last night and it was getting late, thanks for posting!
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SFC (Join to see)
Hey, it looks like it has the information I need... and as a history buff, I will definitely be looking into that. So, SGM, thank you very much for your information, and hopefully I'll be getting that book very shortly.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Sgt Richard Buckner - Right? I ain't even mad, though. That was smooth as fresh churned butter.
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