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was doing PAI this morning- immediately following my NCO collected everyone's CAC and said we would receive them at COB. No reason whatsoever. Guys have appointments, live off post, and need their CAC for clearing / eating at DFAC.
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Your CAC was not "confiscated".
You mention that you were conducting PAI.
Part of that PAI requires: "Unit commanders will account for their assigned and attached personnel by verifying their full name, Department of Defense (DOD) common access card with electronic data interchange—personnel identifier, and/or full social security number (SSN)."
AR 600–8–6
I would presume that, rather than having everyone standing in line all day instead of working, they collected up the CACs to be verified against the HRAR (UMR) in IPPS-A, while everyone else got back to work.
That's not "confiscated", that's just handed over for that requirement.
They might also want to determine CAC expiration dates for everyone, as Soldiers are sometimes remiss on renewing their own CACs.
You mention that you were conducting PAI.
Part of that PAI requires: "Unit commanders will account for their assigned and attached personnel by verifying their full name, Department of Defense (DOD) common access card with electronic data interchange—personnel identifier, and/or full social security number (SSN)."
AR 600–8–6
I would presume that, rather than having everyone standing in line all day instead of working, they collected up the CACs to be verified against the HRAR (UMR) in IPPS-A, while everyone else got back to work.
That's not "confiscated", that's just handed over for that requirement.
They might also want to determine CAC expiration dates for everyone, as Soldiers are sometimes remiss on renewing their own CACs.
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Your CAC is government property and required to be surrendered when ordered by your Commander. It's written out in a regulation or DODI somewhere that I've seen cited.
The bottom line is your NCO isn't out there collecting IDs for fun and it wasn't his idea to collect them. Your NCO was instructed to do something by someone else, someone who was instructed to accomplish a task ordered by a commander.
The bottom line is your NCO isn't out there collecting IDs for fun and it wasn't his idea to collect them. Your NCO was instructed to do something by someone else, someone who was instructed to accomplish a task ordered by a commander.
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AR 600-8-14 states who can confiscate CACs and why CACs can be confiscated. the 4 reasons are Expired, Being fraudulently used, Presented by a person not entitled to its use, and Mutilated or illegible. found my answers. appreciate the comment, SFC
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SPC (Join to see) - So...did you ask your NCO why they were confiscated? Or anyone ask? Was it any of those four reasons?
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff currently on Rear D with select few soldiers refusing to show up for accountability formations. this was an attempt to restrict everyone to post. it was none of the 4 reasons.
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SPC (Join to see) your CAC hasn't been confiscated, it has been temporarily surrendered. When it's confiscated you don't receive it back.
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Wouldn't your chow card suffice in the mess hall? Headcount should accept that. CAC is like an ID card and would not say whether you are on separate rations would it. If one not have a chow card you sign cash collection sheet, that how it was in my day.
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thats not the case anymore. paper meal cards went the way of the dodo. cac is the appropriate way to determine rations
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