Posted on Apr 16, 2021
Can I pin myself if I’m on PCs leave? Or should I wait to arrive at my new unit?
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I recently made the promotion list for E-5, I was just wondering if it was even a thing to promote yourself on PCs leave. My brother told me he would pin before heading to my next unit.
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I’d advise you wait until you arrive at your unit. In the mean time, let your sponsor know you made the cut off and to inform your COC. If you a copy of your promotion orders that would be helpful and you should send a copy to your sponsor or gaining unit S-1. I would definitely advise against pinning yourself. The transition from SPC/CPL to SGT usually comes with an NCO induction ceremony. You really don’t want to start off on the wrong foot with your new unit CSM. Good luck and congratulations.
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SSG Bill McCoy
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SSG (Join to see)
Keep in mind you do have the right to decline a promotion ceremony and pin yourself. It happens quite often when Soldiers don't want the pomp and circumstance and they just want to go to work. If your command tries to make you then its proof that they want to appease their own ego. Thanks
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The orders are what matters. The ceremony is just a tradition. Being on the list doesn't mean you are promoted yet as well. If you have promotion orders and it is past the date of rank, then throw it on. If you are still just "promotable" then continue to wait for points.
I pinned SFC without a ceremony. Ceremonies are nice and all, but it is the orders that actually promote/award/assume command
I pinned SFC without a ceremony. Ceremonies are nice and all, but it is the orders that actually promote/award/assume command
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SP5 Jeannie Carle
Thank you Sir! I was on the E5 list a bit before I got my promotion. That list most assuredly is NOT a promotion. :-)
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1SG Pw Smith
I can promise you that you being on a list does not mean you have the promotion. If you are passed over for whatever reason, you do not want a First Sergeant or Sergeant Major on you out of the gate. I have had soldiers show up wearing rank they have not received yet. It is embarrassing for you and believe me, a good chewing out comes with that embarrassment.
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In line with MSG (Join to see) and MAJ Samuel Weber, I would advise against doing so without gaining unit permission. Some folks get SUPER touchy about it.
I picked up SFC while I was in school. Technically, I was TDY from Florida to Fort Huachuca. However my assignment in Florida was actually a detachment from a parent company in.... you guessed it, Fort Huachuca. My parent unit pinned me on a Friday evening after the schoolhouse was done with me. The schoolhouse unit was PISSED and the 1SG ripped off my rank when I showed up with it Monday morning. I explained that my ACTUAL unit had pinned me, not just me pinning myself, and not my TDY unit (the schoolhouse). He refused to find that an "acceptable answer" and threatened to make me wear SSG for a week as "punishment."
To be clear - that was completely unprofessional of the 1SG, and there is no way he could have enforced his threat. But it didn't stop him from blowing a gasket. Even though I didn't pin myself, that 1SG *still* felt like I was trying to "cheat him out of my promotion" (his words). Not sure how he was entitled to *my* promotion, but that is how he felt.
I am not saying that reaction is routine or to be expected - but I am not saying he is the only 1SG who ever had that thought process, either. Better to be safe. If you want family to be there, participate, or even do it themselves, most of the time the unit - gaining or losing - will be happy to accommodate. Just don't leave them in the dark.
I picked up SFC while I was in school. Technically, I was TDY from Florida to Fort Huachuca. However my assignment in Florida was actually a detachment from a parent company in.... you guessed it, Fort Huachuca. My parent unit pinned me on a Friday evening after the schoolhouse was done with me. The schoolhouse unit was PISSED and the 1SG ripped off my rank when I showed up with it Monday morning. I explained that my ACTUAL unit had pinned me, not just me pinning myself, and not my TDY unit (the schoolhouse). He refused to find that an "acceptable answer" and threatened to make me wear SSG for a week as "punishment."
To be clear - that was completely unprofessional of the 1SG, and there is no way he could have enforced his threat. But it didn't stop him from blowing a gasket. Even though I didn't pin myself, that 1SG *still* felt like I was trying to "cheat him out of my promotion" (his words). Not sure how he was entitled to *my* promotion, but that is how he felt.
I am not saying that reaction is routine or to be expected - but I am not saying he is the only 1SG who ever had that thought process, either. Better to be safe. If you want family to be there, participate, or even do it themselves, most of the time the unit - gaining or losing - will be happy to accommodate. Just don't leave them in the dark.
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