Posted on Mar 21, 2021
Job-wise, what is the difference between 0313 VS 0321 in the Marines?
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Hello Rallypoint, I hope all of you are doing well. A bit of a question that I've stumbled onto as of late that's really been on my mind. We've heard of LAR Marines, their job is to screen/recon ahead of their regiment, but at the same time, we also know there's the Recon Battalion in that same Regiment, as well. This has me wondering, what is the difference in their jobs? Is the 0313's job more of a vanguard or something, and of course we all know how hard it is to pass BRC. With those said, I gotta ask, what is the difference between the two, other than one is special operations capable and the other is armored reconnaissance? Please do indulge me with a detailed explanation.
Hope you guys are all doing well.
Hope you guys are all doing well.
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They are extremely different MOS's and have different roles all together. LAR is an armor asset. Yes they are recon but they are a lot more.
Recon Bns and Force Recon are another beast all together. They jump, swim and do it all. But they are out pounding the ground with their two feet.
The recon path is long and very comparable to the pipelines for Rangers. You can sign up for LAV crewman out of the gate. Recon requires alot of indoc work and the pipeline is much more indepth.
Recon Bns and Force Recon are another beast all together. They jump, swim and do it all. But they are out pounding the ground with their two feet.
The recon path is long and very comparable to the pipelines for Rangers. You can sign up for LAV crewman out of the gate. Recon requires alot of indoc work and the pipeline is much more indepth.
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Haven't you been on here asking crazy questions about the most "high speed" jobs in all the different branches for over a year now? You could have been halfway through your first enlistment by now if you weren't trying to figure out the most cool guy route.
Listen, just find the branch you like the culture of the most. You're probably not going to get the job you want. You don't usually get to pick your MOS in most branches except the Army and in the Army you have to try out and pass a selection for all the special operations jobs you've been asking about. You have to pass the selection for the Recon in the Marines as well. You could just as easily end up being a parachute rigger or a tank mechanic. So, pick a branch you think you'll enjoy serving in if you don't end up anywhere high speed and work your way towards the harder jobs
Listen, just find the branch you like the culture of the most. You're probably not going to get the job you want. You don't usually get to pick your MOS in most branches except the Army and in the Army you have to try out and pass a selection for all the special operations jobs you've been asking about. You have to pass the selection for the Recon in the Marines as well. You could just as easily end up being a parachute rigger or a tank mechanic. So, pick a branch you think you'll enjoy serving in if you don't end up anywhere high speed and work your way towards the harder jobs
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Jake Lang I don't track people on here because I have a full time job, children, and a life. I just remember your name and random Call of Duty Glory Hound questions on here. I get about 100-200 notifications on here a day from RP so I'm sorry if I didn't pay enough attention for you to feel validated. But people have lives outside of hurt feelings on the interwebz.
As for failure well.... We all fail sometimes. But since you asked - let me share with you some of my accolades:
I joined the Army as High School dropout from the projects with a 98 ASVAB as a Cook who joined the 75th Ranger Regiment. Most of my RIP class dropped. About 200 showed up and around 30 passed. Then six months later I was in Ranger School and graduated just before turning 19. I left when I turned 21, worked at and managed several restaurants on the civilian side before joining the Guard and then rejoining AD as a medic. I went to Special Forces Assessment Selection in 2006 and was selected to be an 18E with Korean. Then I returned to my unit to another deployment for 15 months where my third kid was born. I flew back home just in time to deliver him on the side of the road, before heading back to Iraq for another six months at which point I decided family was more important than fun. So I applied to be an Army PA and was accepted but didn't meet some of the commissioning requirements to be an officer. So I became a Career Counselor. It actually goes on and on...Master Ratd Jumpmaster, Jumpmaster Instructor, Airborne Ranger, Career Counselor of the Year Sergeant Audie Murphy Award and Club member and senior board member.... There's a lot that I've done, the best parts involve teaching others and being a father. So, no I don't look in the mirror and see failure. I have a great job, an incredible family, and more trophies and awards than I can fit in my office. That's pretty par for the course for most Senior Leaders I've met in the Army.
However what I do see here right now is someone trying too hard to protect their ego. I made a very non judgmental suggestion that you pick a culture and go with that branch. I also pointed out previously that you probably won't make it past any selection, just statistically speaking. But seeing your delicate nature here and sensitive personality, I can say for certain that you should pick a backup job you like instead of trying out for Ranger Regiment. When I worked at Ranger School I saw kids like you every day show up with their puffed up chests and their puffed up egos. I saw them all walk away without their tabs and I watched them all raise their hands and quit in RIP/RASP and SFAS.
I'm not here to motivate you, I'm not your mom, I don't have unwavering belief in you. The Army needs truck drivers just as much and more than it needs Airborne Rangers. Motivation is a lie. Discipline is truth. I'm not here to provide any motivation, only candor. If you have what it takes then nothing I say will change whether you make it or not. My Drill Sergeant told us that none of us would ever be Rangers and except for me he was right. You're not special enough for anyone but your parents to want to motivate you, and if they do that's great, but once you leave home it's just you. You and your brothers.
So, if you want to make it, take your feelings and put them back in your cargo pocket and get to Rangering on. You know what the first thing my RIP Cadre said to me was? "Shut your fucking cum dumpster before I put something in your cock holster". That was the moment I realized I wasn't in the baby Army anymore. So, if you can't tolerate someone who isn't clapping for your every baby step and singing your praises, Ranger Regiment might not be the best place for you
As for failure well.... We all fail sometimes. But since you asked - let me share with you some of my accolades:
I joined the Army as High School dropout from the projects with a 98 ASVAB as a Cook who joined the 75th Ranger Regiment. Most of my RIP class dropped. About 200 showed up and around 30 passed. Then six months later I was in Ranger School and graduated just before turning 19. I left when I turned 21, worked at and managed several restaurants on the civilian side before joining the Guard and then rejoining AD as a medic. I went to Special Forces Assessment Selection in 2006 and was selected to be an 18E with Korean. Then I returned to my unit to another deployment for 15 months where my third kid was born. I flew back home just in time to deliver him on the side of the road, before heading back to Iraq for another six months at which point I decided family was more important than fun. So I applied to be an Army PA and was accepted but didn't meet some of the commissioning requirements to be an officer. So I became a Career Counselor. It actually goes on and on...Master Ratd Jumpmaster, Jumpmaster Instructor, Airborne Ranger, Career Counselor of the Year Sergeant Audie Murphy Award and Club member and senior board member.... There's a lot that I've done, the best parts involve teaching others and being a father. So, no I don't look in the mirror and see failure. I have a great job, an incredible family, and more trophies and awards than I can fit in my office. That's pretty par for the course for most Senior Leaders I've met in the Army.
However what I do see here right now is someone trying too hard to protect their ego. I made a very non judgmental suggestion that you pick a culture and go with that branch. I also pointed out previously that you probably won't make it past any selection, just statistically speaking. But seeing your delicate nature here and sensitive personality, I can say for certain that you should pick a backup job you like instead of trying out for Ranger Regiment. When I worked at Ranger School I saw kids like you every day show up with their puffed up chests and their puffed up egos. I saw them all walk away without their tabs and I watched them all raise their hands and quit in RIP/RASP and SFAS.
I'm not here to motivate you, I'm not your mom, I don't have unwavering belief in you. The Army needs truck drivers just as much and more than it needs Airborne Rangers. Motivation is a lie. Discipline is truth. I'm not here to provide any motivation, only candor. If you have what it takes then nothing I say will change whether you make it or not. My Drill Sergeant told us that none of us would ever be Rangers and except for me he was right. You're not special enough for anyone but your parents to want to motivate you, and if they do that's great, but once you leave home it's just you. You and your brothers.
So, if you want to make it, take your feelings and put them back in your cargo pocket and get to Rangering on. You know what the first thing my RIP Cadre said to me was? "Shut your fucking cum dumpster before I put something in your cock holster". That was the moment I realized I wasn't in the baby Army anymore. So, if you can't tolerate someone who isn't clapping for your every baby step and singing your praises, Ranger Regiment might not be the best place for you
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Cpl David Amos
Jake Lang a little butt hurt huh? Suck it up buttercup. The enemy doesn't give a rat's ass about your feelings. You're still a civilian. You won't understand. Good luck.
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Talk to your recruiter, but the way to think about it is Reconnaissance Marines go ahead of everyone besides MARSOC to gather and disseminate intelligence to those who need to know, sneak in, take pictures, sneak out. LAR has a completely different mission, they sort of gather intel but on a much smaller scale because what they find needs to be known by the Marines in the area immediately in order to shape the battle space. Long story short, 0321 helps shape a war, 0313 helps shape a single battle at a time.
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