Posted on Mar 15, 2021
NCO typing multiple NCOs NCOERs because the unit failed to follow the rating scheme they had, is this valid to do so?
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My current unit on fort Sill is having our support Platoon Sergeant write multiple NCOs and NCOERs, even though he has not been their Platoon Sergeant. Can this be an issue or unit get into trouble for this?
First time to ever experience this in my entire career.
First time to ever experience this in my entire career.
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Army Regulations
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Army policy is that NCOER rating chains must be posted and followed. If I remember correctly this very situation was addressed in my Divisions last IG newsletter. There are multiple reasons why this is prohibited. One is that this creates pooling for the Senior Rater, allowing the Senior Rater to game their ratings. It also negatively impacts the Soldiers being evaluated. Each of the Soldiers who is being evaluated by someone outside their rating chain has a justifiable IG complaint
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
SFC (Join to see) well the unit making that one NCO write 6 NCOERs, and how one year is one individual writing dance who we are then the next year is a totally different person without a change of radar or anything. But it seems like it's kind of pointless to even question anything involving this.
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SSG Dennis Mendoza HRC can't see that. It's on the unit command to enforce evaluation standards. That's why I said you need to contact your post IG in order to bring your unit into compliance with regulations
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This NCO can fight it, depending on the command climate in the unit. If he was never in their rating chain he or she shouldn't be rating them. We all know this. The problem I see from a realistic standpoint, is does this PSG have people in their chain of command or NCO support channel that will back them when they stand against this?
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
SSG (Join to see) you're right about that but this unit has all new leadership and they're just worried about red cycle taskings and stats. Since taking over the morale has gone down drastically of junior enlisted and immediate supervisors (NCO's). Seems like if you're not part of their group they don't care and that's exactly what everyone is seeing. I'm one of the NCO's that this NCOER thing is happening to. That PSG was my PSG for almost three months back in 2019, we're cool he's actually looking out for everyone but now just concerned that this does not seem to be right at all.
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SSG (Join to see)
SSG Dennis Mendoza yeah in that case I'd definitely be looking into the command's bosses. Encourage them to swing by and see how things are. If they're new, they should have to do a command climate survey if I'm not mistaken, have everyone be brutally honest. They may want to ignore the results but if EO or the next higher commander has visibility over the results it may make them reestablish their connections with the team.
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
SSG (Join to see) they already did they survey and no one participated and you just reminded me we were send the link to the survey hours before it expired so some didn't even have an opportunity to fill it out. It seems that it this comes from brigade it self as long as the numbers look good they don't care how it was done.
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I'm still owed 2 NCOERs. I stayed on top of it but the unit funded me. I had hoped to be an ROTC instructor when I retired but short two NCOERs and it is a show stopper.
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
SFC Melvin Brandenburg that's where I worry if this will screw me when I get looked at by the evaluation board next year.
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SFC Melvin Brandenburg
SSG Dennis Mendoza stay on top of it brother. If you don't you will get fucked.
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