Posted on May 19, 2015
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I've always been curious to know why NOAA and PHS have commissioned officers and why they are considered to be part of the Uniformed Services. Can anyone explain this to me? Since they're part of the Uniformed Services does this mean they qualify for DoD benefits too (i.e. 20 yr retirement & pension, VA benefits, etc)?
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SPC David S.
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For NOAA - In short so they wouldn't get killed for being spies -
While NOAA was born in 1970 is origins go way back as a uniformed service. The NOAA Commissioned Officer Corps traces its roots to the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey. The Coast and Geodetic Survey's predecessor, the United States Survey of the Coast – renamed the United States Coast Survey in 1836 – was founded in 1807 under President Thomas Jefferson. Until the American Civil War, the Coast Survey was manned by civilian personnel working with United States Army and United States Navy officers. During the Civil War (1861–1865), Army officers were withdrawn from Coast Survey duty, never to return, while all but two Navy officers also were withdrawn from Coast Survey service for the duration of the war. Since most men of the Survey had Union sympathies, most stayed on with the Survey rather than resigning to serve the Confederate States of America; their work shifted in emphasis to support of the U.S. Navy and Union Army, and these Coast Surveyors are the professional ancestors of today's NOAA Corps. Those Coast Surveyors supporting the Union Army were given assimilated military rank while attached to a specific command, but those supporting the U.S. Navy operated as civilians and ran the risk of being executed as spies if captured by the Confederates while working in support of Union forces. After the war, U.S. Navy officers returned to duty with the Coast Survey, which was given authority over geodetic activities in the interior of the United States in 1871 and accordingly was renamed the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey in 1878.

For PHS - The PHS Commissioned Corps traces its beginnings back to the U.S. Marine Hospital Service protecting against the spread of disease from sailors returning from foreign ports and maintaining the health of immigrants entering the country. Under John Adam in 1798 the "Act for Relief and Disabled Seamen" was enacted and slowly became a network of coastal Marine hospitals. Later a centralized HQ was created in DC under the supervising surgeon later titled the Surgeon General.

Much like Army Corp of Engineers these uniformed services where more or less branches of the Army and Navy that split off like the Air Force to form their own uniformed service. So yes while not under the DoD command they do receive benefit.
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Awesome informed response. !!!
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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Yes they do. As an example, the Surgeon General is actually an Admiral in the (US)PHS.

Think of them like the Chaplain Corps. "Uniformed" but not "Armed."

Officers have specific Powers, as opposed to (Special) Agents, hence the difference. Although the Uniformed Services administratively, & operationally fall under the Executive Branch, we answer to the Constitution ("the appointment of the officers" Art 1, Sect 8) . Special Agents generally answer to the Executive Branch, as their authority comes from the Cabinet Level, as opposed to the Constitution itself.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad Yes! (Both)

I'm on here a lot, mainly because most of my day is answering phones, so this kills time.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad I should say the same to you.
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SPC David S.
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Also NOAA also operates 16 ships and 9 aircraft
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I had sent in an answer before I think however I realized that I think I'd actually made a mistake on it. The surgeons general are I believe as I'd said O-9s; however they are not all VAdm as I'd tried to point out I think. They're either Lt Gen or VAdm depending on the service being VAdm in the case of USPHS since it is principally deemed I think a sea service in origin stemming as it also does from what I'd read from the marine service hospitals which is why I believe that e.g. the physicians at the immigration hospital was I think a marine hospital and in fact USPHS or its predecessor organization I believe. Sorry for the confusion hope this is correct now and of interest also nice holiday and new year once again.
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