Posted on Nov 18, 2020
Is Unit MTOE Dependent on Rank or Number of Personnel?
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I did some of my own research, but could not find anything in the regulation. Essentially, is the MTOE really based on rank, or just raw number of personnel in a platoon? I'm worried that as a new E-5 (and bringing my platoon now to one more than our MTOE'd E-5 slots) that I will be slotted down instead of come down on orders, reflecting poorly on my NCOER (or so I've heard).
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The MTOE is the combination of both metrics needed to get the organization's mission accomplished. That said, if you are worried about your NCOER, 1) voice your concerns to/through your chain of command; you may get a leadership position, you may convince them to get an inter-division swap 2) start looking for additional duties to develop your leadership skills and set yourself above your peers. 3) Do the best job you can in your current position, the cream rises to the top as they say. Good Luck
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Ok, to answer your original question:
The MTOE is designed to man and equip a unit in a perfect situation. But then reality hits... Req v.s. Auth. v.s. Reality. You get it, right?
Then some organization, for whatever reason, try to farm Soldiers and keep them rather than encourage their professional development by allow them more exposure to different experiences.
Now, I’m the meantime, like other have stated, seek responsibilities within your organization and proof your value to it. As the junior NCO, must likely you might be one of the last to leave (not always the case) so be very diplomatic on your day to day business. And just for reference, take a glimpse to AR 71-32 so you can get a headache on all things MTOE/TDA!
The MTOE is designed to man and equip a unit in a perfect situation. But then reality hits... Req v.s. Auth. v.s. Reality. You get it, right?
Then some organization, for whatever reason, try to farm Soldiers and keep them rather than encourage their professional development by allow them more exposure to different experiences.
Now, I’m the meantime, like other have stated, seek responsibilities within your organization and proof your value to it. As the junior NCO, must likely you might be one of the last to leave (not always the case) so be very diplomatic on your day to day business. And just for reference, take a glimpse to AR 71-32 so you can get a headache on all things MTOE/TDA!
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Thank you for the answer, sir. I poked through AR 71-32 earlier but couldn't find and exact answer to my situation that was clear. I figured posting a question on here and getting some-real world experience would not only provide deeper insight, but as well as Army-isms that aren't explicitly written, like the second paragraph of your answer. That publication has helped me many times when allocating different CBRN equipment to different sections.
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Both, it's a number of Soldiers by rank, special qualifications, clearance level, etc..
FMSweb.fms.army.mil Log into there and you can view your unit's MTOE and see it all
FMSweb.fms.army.mil Log into there and you can view your unit's MTOE and see it all
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Thanks for the answer, sir! I did check my unit's MTOE, that's how I know we're now over strength in E-5s, but understrength in SL1s while still meeting the total manpower count of our platoon. That's where my question stems from is what actually matters to strength management, the number of personnel by rank or the number of personnel total?
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SGT (Join to see) - It's not a must be at all times kind of document, it's more of a this is what's desired type. They can't do assignments by looking at time in grade and things so sometimes they move people and the MTOE gets a little unbalanced. Once the numbers appear to higher (assuming 1SG talks to S1 and gets the slotting figured out properly) then they should adjust accordingly. It happens often with E5 and E6 since they're semi-centralized promotions.
I suggest talking with your PSG and 1SG about slotting to figure out who is actually where. Someone may be excess, someone may be a known loss. If they are slotted as that then it isn't held against the MTOE of say 4 E5s.
Being put into an E4 slot is NOT the right thing to do, you'd be better off as excess than E4. If they slot you down then you need to 100% talk with 1SG and possibly CSM/S1 to have it all taken care of.
Units are notorious for not using the "excess" and "known losses" codes, dual slotting people, etc...
I suggest talking with your PSG and 1SG about slotting to figure out who is actually where. Someone may be excess, someone may be a known loss. If they are slotted as that then it isn't held against the MTOE of say 4 E5s.
Being put into an E4 slot is NOT the right thing to do, you'd be better off as excess than E4. If they slot you down then you need to 100% talk with 1SG and possibly CSM/S1 to have it all taken care of.
Units are notorious for not using the "excess" and "known losses" codes, dual slotting people, etc...
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