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There is a soldier that works in my shop with me who has an anger management issue. One time he slapped my phone out of my hand and another time he struck another soldier on the face because he didn't like what the soldier was saying. The soldier was slated to go to a course for our MOS and his punishment was that he was not allowed to go to the course anymore. I find out today that the soldier is on standby to go to the course which means no actions were taken against the soldier. I feel that this soldier is a threat to the good order and conduct in my unit and not to mention safety. What rights do I have to go over my chain of commands head and talk directly to the 1SG.
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Most 1SG and even CSM have an "open door" policy for things exactly like this.
Knock, knock, knock. "Excuse me 1SG/CSM. Do you have a moment? I have a problem that I need help with. Yes, I have tried addressing it through the chain. No that didn't seem to work, and I'm trying to avoid escalating it to an IG complaint."
Don't jump ladder without going through your boss first though.
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Knock, knock, knock. "Excuse me 1SG/CSM. Do you have a moment? I have a problem that I need help with. Yes, I have tried addressing it through the chain. No that didn't seem to work, and I'm trying to avoid escalating it to an IG complaint."
Don't jump ladder without going through your boss first though.
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SPC Christopher Shanahan
I have already gone to my PSG, and the PL who both assured me that his punishment was not being able to go to this course. I respectfully told them that if they didn't follow through with the punishment that I would be going over their heads because I feel that this soldier is a threat to other soldiers in the unit based on more than one occasion of acting out.
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SSG Dennis Feller
It is called the NCO Support Channel (in the Army) This is technically not a part of the chain of command as the chain consists mainly of Commissioned Officers and is a formal and specifically set line of authority. The NCOSC is informal and outside the chain of command and has no technical authority (just a lot of pull). Curious as to how an MOSQ course could be used for punishment, if it is required for MOSQ it is mandated to attend (or lose the MOS).
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SSG Dennis Feller
PS... when I was in the Corps we would have just given a little "wall to wall counseling" to the offending jackass and solved the issue in house. 'Policing' our own back yard was how things were kept tight.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
SSG Dennis Feller check. However, this seems to be a lateral issue instead of an up/down one so WTW isn't available to SPC Christopher Shanahan which could have been great "immediate action."
It sounds like his leadership has tied his hands though.
It sounds like his leadership has tied his hands though.
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First, I would say try to handle it from one soldier to another. If it is just two soldiers his SGT needs to step on him. If it is someone who has a grade or two on you then just take it one step higher. If that all fails then go the open door route to the 1SG but remember, that's your last resort. The last thing you want is the 1SG fixing fire team business, it doesn't work out well for anyone! Personally I have about zero patience for the kind of things you are mentioning regardless of rank. I didn't work my way to where I am to babysit or try to enforce manners, be an adult.
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SPC Christopher Shanahan
Thanks for your opinion 1SG, I was hoping to get at least one 1SGs counsel on the matter. He is also a specialist, and the NCO of our shop was notified by me immediately after the incident. Part of the problem with this soldier is that even while he was being counseled for his actions he kept interrupting, and asked if he could just write an essay (something we sometimes do in our shop if someone messes up), and his punishment is that he wasn't going to be able to go to a course that he was supposed to. He is now packing to go to the course so there was no actions against him at all. My aim is to get him into anger management so that he doesn't habe another outburst in a more volatile situation. Thanks again 1SG.
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There needs to be a formal complaint. Assault, once it occurs, needs to be dealt with. You are in a staff position, BN S-2, and if this Soldier is moved, there is a good chance of him ending up in a co-ed environment.
I assume the focus of his temper tends to be individuals that would not be able to stand their ground against him in a head to head, otherwise someone would have taken him to task already. Is he also doing this only when the "leadership" is not present? Also, the lackadaisical attitude the leadership has about this may be why no one is formalizing the complaint, since the abused Soldiers would still have to work with this individual and would continue to be in danger while "normal" procedures ran their course.
I'm hoping this doesn't reach the point where you or another Soldier are standing in front of the BC are standing next to this guy explaining the cause for bodily injuries. But, your anger management problem child sounds like he may be escalating because he isn't being called on the carpet for the real problem.
I assume the focus of his temper tends to be individuals that would not be able to stand their ground against him in a head to head, otherwise someone would have taken him to task already. Is he also doing this only when the "leadership" is not present? Also, the lackadaisical attitude the leadership has about this may be why no one is formalizing the complaint, since the abused Soldiers would still have to work with this individual and would continue to be in danger while "normal" procedures ran their course.
I'm hoping this doesn't reach the point where you or another Soldier are standing in front of the BC are standing next to this guy explaining the cause for bodily injuries. But, your anger management problem child sounds like he may be escalating because he isn't being called on the carpet for the real problem.
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SPC Christopher Shanahan
Thanks Chief. I completely agree. The only reason the soldier didn't get taken to task over this incident is because I was standing there and I immediately stepped in and stopped whatever was going to happen next. Mainly to defend the other soldier who was hit, and also to immediate correct the actions of the soldier that did the hitting. It honestly makes me seethe with anger at how this is being handled because the soldier seriously doesn't act like he did anything wrong. I blame the leadership for that.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Sir,
I'm hazarding a guess that the "take care of your men" philosophy (keep it in-house) is overtaking this, even though this is definitely an issue that needs to be escalated up (assault & mental health concerns).
This may be one of the "oh #%$#, how/who do I address this to?" They may not want to end his career. They may want to help him first.
Again, this is a guess. That said. Your post, spot on.
I'm hazarding a guess that the "take care of your men" philosophy (keep it in-house) is overtaking this, even though this is definitely an issue that needs to be escalated up (assault & mental health concerns).
This may be one of the "oh #%$#, how/who do I address this to?" They may not want to end his career. They may want to help him first.
Again, this is a guess. That said. Your post, spot on.
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CW2 Joseph Evans
Command referral to anger management may be a possibility. It would be better for the Soldier in question to self-refer so it didn't go in the record. The PSG and LT may be looking at this as a "no blood, no foul" situation, which I can completely understand. The other thing is, if he isn't abusing everyone else in front of the leadership, they may not really know how bad it is. Certain personalities feel that their actions are justified as long as they don't get caught, in which case his continued service is just a bad idea all the way around. In the mean time, build your network and cover your ass. People like this are subversive and understand how to use the "big lie".
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