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I've always said this.
There are two types of Leaders in the Army.
2. Those who read regulations and see what is authorized.
1. Those who read the regulations and see what is NOT authorized or what is prohibited.
The best LEADERS see what is authorized. The majority of turds see what is prohibited.
I made my second to last First Sergeant so angry that she teared up when I told her that she was a "Prohibitor". These people disgust me. Edit to add: She was later relieved of her duties along with the Commander because of the shifty, negligent and malignancy of their Command. (I have to add that before some other hasty non-thinker tells me that she was tearing up because she wanted to punch me. lol I was 6' 0" and about 210lbs and could bench 408lbs at the time and a fairly adept bar room brawler at the time. lol Fear of a 5' 4" 140lb female was not something that I had. I never feared my leadership. I either respected them or I did not. Fear did not enter the equation as I was damn good at my job.)
I always read DA and DOD regulations with an eye towards what I could get accomplished. Too many Army "leaders" look to stymie their people with prohibitions.
I abhor these people.
ADDED LATER:
To expound a bit...
There are leaders who look at AR 670-1. They look to see what one is authorized to wear. The reg says that when it's cold, you wear cold weather gear. Then you have those who look at it and say that a soldier can only wear gloves WITH the Field Jacket. This was way before all of the high speed cold weather gear that you guys have now.
There were the folks who swore that you could only wear the long sleeve PT shirt with sweat pants or the jacket with the pants. Then I had First Sergeants who used common sense and said PT shorts with Jacket or Long Sleeve Shirt was authorized because everyone knows knows that there is no such thing as a Leg Cold. People get Head Colds. People get Chest Colds. No one has ever got a cold from wearing shorts.
It's a commons sense thing to some extent. It's a fear thing to another extent. It's lazy leadership to some extent. And, yet, some seek to actively prohibit soldiers from enjoying any benefit that they did not have when they were young soldiers. It's an "if I had to suffer when I was a Private, so, too, should you" mentality.
There are other examples out there.
What's worse is when you have NCOs and Officers who do not know a regulation AND THEN expound upon what action or item is authorized or, worse, not authorized and hold to it simply because either "that's the way it's always been done" or they don't know and are afraid to ask and reveal their ignorance or laziness.
There are also the CSMs who run around correcting people in other units but are ignorant of the regulations that govern the units in which those people work. Riggers are authorized certain uniform items that many others are not. Females can wear their hair in a pony tail in certain uniforms.
When I was in Camp Scorpion, we had a CSM visit and yell at a Female Officers telling her that her ponytail was not authorized and that she needed to put her hair up. Well, he was wrong. Because of both the unit to which she was assigned, her duties as a combat advisor and the uniform she was wearing, that Female Lieutenant WAS authorized to wear her hair in a pony tail.
I've seen so much of this.
It is one of the things which drove me out of the Army after a fairly successful career.
I was a Staff Sergeant who had served as a PBO, a Platoon Sergeant, etc. I served in some unique units such as JSA in Korea, The Old Guard in Washington, D.C., the MFO or Multinational Force and Observers in the Sinai in Egypt. I had a fantastic career. Leadership, or lackthereof, drove me out. In part....in part. There were other things but horrid leadership pushed me over the edge.
There are two types of Leaders in the Army.
2. Those who read regulations and see what is authorized.
1. Those who read the regulations and see what is NOT authorized or what is prohibited.
The best LEADERS see what is authorized. The majority of turds see what is prohibited.
I made my second to last First Sergeant so angry that she teared up when I told her that she was a "Prohibitor". These people disgust me. Edit to add: She was later relieved of her duties along with the Commander because of the shifty, negligent and malignancy of their Command. (I have to add that before some other hasty non-thinker tells me that she was tearing up because she wanted to punch me. lol I was 6' 0" and about 210lbs and could bench 408lbs at the time and a fairly adept bar room brawler at the time. lol Fear of a 5' 4" 140lb female was not something that I had. I never feared my leadership. I either respected them or I did not. Fear did not enter the equation as I was damn good at my job.)
I always read DA and DOD regulations with an eye towards what I could get accomplished. Too many Army "leaders" look to stymie their people with prohibitions.
I abhor these people.
ADDED LATER:
To expound a bit...
There are leaders who look at AR 670-1. They look to see what one is authorized to wear. The reg says that when it's cold, you wear cold weather gear. Then you have those who look at it and say that a soldier can only wear gloves WITH the Field Jacket. This was way before all of the high speed cold weather gear that you guys have now.
There were the folks who swore that you could only wear the long sleeve PT shirt with sweat pants or the jacket with the pants. Then I had First Sergeants who used common sense and said PT shorts with Jacket or Long Sleeve Shirt was authorized because everyone knows knows that there is no such thing as a Leg Cold. People get Head Colds. People get Chest Colds. No one has ever got a cold from wearing shorts.
It's a commons sense thing to some extent. It's a fear thing to another extent. It's lazy leadership to some extent. And, yet, some seek to actively prohibit soldiers from enjoying any benefit that they did not have when they were young soldiers. It's an "if I had to suffer when I was a Private, so, too, should you" mentality.
There are other examples out there.
What's worse is when you have NCOs and Officers who do not know a regulation AND THEN expound upon what action or item is authorized or, worse, not authorized and hold to it simply because either "that's the way it's always been done" or they don't know and are afraid to ask and reveal their ignorance or laziness.
There are also the CSMs who run around correcting people in other units but are ignorant of the regulations that govern the units in which those people work. Riggers are authorized certain uniform items that many others are not. Females can wear their hair in a pony tail in certain uniforms.
When I was in Camp Scorpion, we had a CSM visit and yell at a Female Officers telling her that her ponytail was not authorized and that she needed to put her hair up. Well, he was wrong. Because of both the unit to which she was assigned, her duties as a combat advisor and the uniform she was wearing, that Female Lieutenant WAS authorized to wear her hair in a pony tail.
I've seen so much of this.
It is one of the things which drove me out of the Army after a fairly successful career.
I was a Staff Sergeant who had served as a PBO, a Platoon Sergeant, etc. I served in some unique units such as JSA in Korea, The Old Guard in Washington, D.C., the MFO or Multinational Force and Observers in the Sinai in Egypt. I had a fantastic career. Leadership, or lackthereof, drove me out. In part....in part. There were other things but horrid leadership pushed me over the edge.
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Responses: 16
This may be odd but I read them to see what is and what is not authorized and or prohibited. Just seems weird that you would not know both. Just my thoughts though.
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SSG Stephen Arnold
I concur. Knowing the regulations requires being FULLY informed, not half knowledge.
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1SG Bill Farmerie
I agree fully. This question is sort of like do you prefer a field or garrison soldier. Why can't it be both
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If those are the only two kinds of leaders you experienced in your career, consider yourself lucky.
There is a whole third class that are unaware of the regs, who must be frequently advised of what the reg says so that no one gets killed or charged.
This third group is bigger than you would think.
There is a whole third class that are unaware of the regs, who must be frequently advised of what the reg says so that no one gets killed or charged.
This third group is bigger than you would think.
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LCDR Scott Stroman
During my tour in the Army and the rest of my career in the Navy, I learned that the best leaders know the book and follow the book, but also knew those rare instances where you need to set the book down and make a decision.
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I'm in that third group SGM. Thus I usually defer, and only read the regs as I need them for situations as they cross my path. Early in command time I had so may good ideas as an LT would, then quickly found out I'm just there to be a rubber stamp. There is little to "decide". If I read enough regulations that decision is already made for me.
I'm of the opinion it's like that at every rank until one is in a position to be the one to WRITE the regulations..
I'm of the opinion it's like that at every rank until one is in a position to be the one to WRITE the regulations..
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SSG Stephen Arnold
SSG David Kaelin I was assigned to a new unit, and upon arrival they asked if I knew how to dispatch motor vehicles. One month later we are undergoing a battalion inspection. The E-8 inspecting the motor pool kept writing citations. When I questioned him, he’d say, “look it up.”
A couple of months later the Lt hands me three pages of legal paper with the dispatch citations. She said to review the regs and make the corrections.
2/3 of the citations were bogus. The next time that Master Sergeant came to inspect us I was ready.
He would criticize something and I would inform he that he was incorrect. When he asked what I meant, I told him to “look it up.”
A couple of months later the Lt hands me three pages of legal paper with the dispatch citations. She said to review the regs and make the corrections.
2/3 of the citations were bogus. The next time that Master Sergeant came to inspect us I was ready.
He would criticize something and I would inform he that he was incorrect. When he asked what I meant, I told him to “look it up.”
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SSG Stephen Arnold
Fast forward a few years and I’m now supervising the dispatch, TAMS, and Class IX Clerks in a Guard unit. We went to our annual training at Ft. Hood. I was away from the unit when the inspector came. I returned to a frantic dispatcher who told me that the inspector cited her for not following a general order. I asked to see the order. She said she didn’t have it. I asked if the inspector provided it. He did not.
I informed her that we would comply when we had the written order. Otherwise, she was to ignore the citation. It took several minutes and a direct order to calm her.
Meanwhile, the motor officer (warrant) stood to the side chuckling. He was a former 1SG. He commended me afterward.
I followed the regs. I also used them to my advantage.
I informed her that we would comply when we had the written order. Otherwise, she was to ignore the citation. It took several minutes and a direct order to calm her.
Meanwhile, the motor officer (warrant) stood to the side chuckling. He was a former 1SG. He commended me afterward.
I followed the regs. I also used them to my advantage.
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Sometimes there exists a gray area where judgement becomes the impetus for an action.
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