Posted on Apr 2, 2020
SPC David S.
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It looking at how COVID-19 was a problem on cruise ships as well with the latest incident aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt is it a good idea using navy ships to help mitigate the shortages in medical personnel and equipment? Can the navy prevent covid-19 aboard the Mercy and other ships being called into service due the pandemic?

https://www.navytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/04/01/navy-to-evacuate-thousands-of-sailors-from-carrier-theodore-roosevelt-amid-covid-19-pandemic/

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LTC Kevin B.
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I don't debate that we do run a risk of a COVID-19 outbreak on the ship. However, what are the alternatives? No additional assets being brought to bear in the fight? That's not helpful in relieving the stress. Mobilizing a military field hospital? That takes more time than moving the ship up the coastline. Constructing new civilian hospitals? That takes even more time. Given the circumstances, using the ship was likely the best short-term approach.

I think the primary differences between the Navy hospital and the cruise ship are that a) the hospital patient population is less mobile than the cruise line passenger population and b) the Navy hospital is more equipped and better trained to manage/contain an outbreak than a private cruise liner. Both lead to a lower probability of an outbreak spreading throughout the ship. Does it eliminate the threat? No, but it does reduce the probability of it occurring. The same thing could happen within a brick-and-mortar hospital.
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Agree sir - ships address the immediate short term goals providing 1000 hospitals beds as well provide a morale boost.
I assume if needed for military personnel these assets could/would be redirected.
Those at NORTHCOM without a doubt have a lot on their plate right now.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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Yes and no. People focus on the ship. It's an asset usually docked but mostly loaded with supplies. It isn't a pandemic fighter. It does take load off shoreside hospitals which can focus more effort elsewhere. The big "no" is the staff that gets pulled to man it. Services at the Naval Hospitals they come from are curtailed. I remember coming back from the badlands needing knee surgery. Nope, they're out on the Mercy. Go to Army Madigan at Ft Lewis. Oh, you need the surgery now? You're really a bother but just to make you go away, we'll OK one visit to University of Washington Sports Medicine. Oh, the Pro from Dover says you need surgery now? You really are a bother but OK. You're Navy and we really don't want to take care of you so we'll let that guy who opened his mouth do it. Like the anal focus on ventilators and none on qualified staff to use them and subsequently perform bronchoscopies (the real fix to keep you breathing), generally too much is made of a single ship being somewhere. 12 ORs is nice, but NYC has hundreds. Nice optics though. How much of a dent does that really make? Navy personnel are getting reduced services as we speak with both ships out. Now the CinC wants two more ships. And where do those personnel come from when the ships show up years from now? The ships are critical when they are forward taking care of us. They are an albatross when they are diverted to do something else.
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SPC David S.
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Agree these ships are designed for mass casualties however I fear loading up this ship with 1000 patients and then someone begins shedding COVID-19 aboard will become its own problem.

Wow about the knee and as well the allocation of medical resource in the military. I played football at Air Force and a fat bastard for Wyoming did an illegal chop block and torn up my knee. I went in for surgery the next day to get it scoped out. Evidently the Air Force needs linebackers. Never will forget the surgeons name was Docktor. Hopefully sir you got you knee fix -
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CAPT Kevin B.
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SPC David S. - Mine was St Elmo Newton III. The knee did get fixed. Years later a screw was backing out and the Navy Doc friend of mine up the street was going to fix it. He was even going to pick me up and drive me in. Didn't hear anything and the hospital wouldn't say. Turns out he had a massive coronary and they kept him on a vent while a medical retirement was processed in 3 hours and then they pulled the plug. His brother was a CEC like myself and we're a small community. We still keep an eye out on the family but now at a distance since we moved rural when we retired.
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LT Brad McInnis
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They aren't taking COVID patients. They will be taking Critical ICU patients to open up ICU's in the hospitals for COVID cases. The hospital ship are well qualified to do this type of stuff.
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SPC David S.
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Agree sir but as this has been spreading it only takes one individual to cause a problem on board.
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