Posted on Mar 12, 2020
SrA Sheila Holmes
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Last night a person that I know from a local motorcycle group (not Legion) said that the group honored her father who recently passed with a flag line. She said that they pressured her into the flag line even though her father never served in the military and she told them that. The headquarters President justified it by saying, “Well he received a draft notice, didn’t he?”

Later in the conversation, she mentioned one of our mutual friends as being a veteran and that he would not have allowed anything like stolen valor. I told her he was not a veteran and that we actually both belonged to the same American Legion and he grew up hanging around the American Legion post, but he is a member of the Sons of the American Legion; he is not a Legionnaire, not a dual member, and he is not a veteran. We argued for about five minutes over this and I finally hung up.

I’m returning my colors tomorrow; I never even wore them but I don’t feel comfortable with this group now.

I see the draft notice as different from actually having served. Am I wrong?

03/16/2020 Edit: Yesterday, one of the members contacted me back and clarified, "The flag lines are for anyone we want to honor, first responders, military, and our families are very high on the list." As they say here in Phila, "I'm feelin some type of way about this." I told him he needs to educate the entire group on who their flag lines are for, and as a representative of the organization, the secretary should know better.

03/23/2020 Edit: The moto group is NOT the Legion Riders -just a local moto org that promotes themselves a veterans and first responders group)

09/07/20 Edit: Well, after much anxiety, I wanted to update about this. Covid hit and I haven't been back to that group. The Sgt at Arms felt I shouldn't make any hasty decisions, but I just knew it wasn't a right fit. More recently, after watching the group respond to peaceful BLM march with "No they don't" when marchers proclaimed, "Black Lives Matter," and screaming at the marchers "Black Lives Splatter," display their flag line as if fellow protesting citizens aren't patriotic, use the local VFW with confederate flags and a woman veteran screaming and flipping off protesters, and watching two of their trucks dump black diesel smoke right in front of peacefully marching protesters, I cut ties with the group by initially removing the vast majority from facebook. The very next day, their Sgt At Arms felt the need to send me a private message on FB, "I see you unfriended me, friend," with a big ole thumbs up, which I ignored. A few days later, he sent me this big long Trump rant about how he was supporting troops (he never served) and I let him have it. I told him I don't care who he votes for, but his behavior doesn't represent me, and if he contacted me again, I'd file harassment charges -and I blocked him on messenger. Two days later he sends a text, "I've been ordered to collect our patches from you. Namely our backpatch and alpha chapter." I told him I burned them and that if he contacted me again, I'd involve the police. So that's that. Always go with your gut.
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SrA Sheila Holmes You are correct. Receiving a draft notice is not the same as being a veteran.
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SSG Jess Peters
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Only if you actually served.
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CDR Kenneth Kaiser
CDR Kenneth Kaiser
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[I received a letter from Publishers Clearing House saying that I could be the winner of 5000 a week for life. Didn't happen. Same applies in this case~1490037: SGT Charles Masterson] -
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MSG Michael Gay
MSG Michael Gay
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A draft notice is not in any way a substitute for military service. The draft notice does not require signing a commitment to serve or a swearing into the military. Much like your bank calling you to offer a car loan. That call does not require you to make payments. Actually you must be sworn into the military, successfully complete basic training, and have service of at least 180 consecutive days of service to be a veteran in any way.
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MSG Michael Gay
MSG Michael Gay
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SGT Charles Masterson you are 100% correct. A soldier that was drafted (not just received a draft notice) is a veteran as much so as a person that enlisted for a four year active duty obligation.
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Draft Notice as in "Congratulations, you are hereby drafted. Please report to your nearest induction center"
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Sgt Jim Mullins
Sgt Jim Mullins
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I received my draft notice at Parris Island while in Marine boot camp in 1963. The Drill Sgt. was not happy. He punched me I did a lot of push ups. Evidently it caused him some paper work...
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SFC John Fourquet
SFC John Fourquet
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MSG (Join to see) - the draft ended in 1973. You may have filled out your selective service registration.
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Sgt Ed Allen
Sgt Ed Allen
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Sounds like my brother. He, and his 2 best buddies, decided to join the Navy because they knew that their draft numbers were coming up. The then went to the Navy recruiter to make sure they got to choose the branch of server. Reported to NTC San Diego and the draft was cancelled 2 days later.
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Sgt Greg Nowark
Sgt Greg Nowark
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SFC John Fourquet - (might have filled out Selective Service registration) Oh, no, will there be another forum about "I walked by a recruiter yesterday, my mommy says that makes a me a veteran?"
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SrA Sheila Holmes Amazing ... I'm in awe of their 'buffoonery'.
(I've been waiting for 25 years to use that word in a sentence.)
Please thank them for the opportunity.
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SGT John Graham
SGT John Graham
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Patience is what I call my time planning vengeance when needed. That said, there were many times on active duty where the word buffoonery could be used. There were many types of individuals, some outstanding, some mediocre, some idiots, and a few well practiced in the art of bufoonery. Getting a draft notice doesn't make one a veteran. Not now or ever! I am proud to be a veteran. I was a R.E.M.F. as such we kept the spear ready. Not glamorous but that is where I ended up.
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SPC Tommy Dean
SPC Tommy Dean
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Good Word!!! Been trying to work in "Idiotarian" myself.
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