Posted on Mar 30, 2015
Why do pilots who are Colonels and above still maintain flying status by doing their required flying hours?
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This is a question that has always bugged me. It might be that I am just a dumb enlisted guy (guilty) but I have asked his question to many other airmen both enlisted and officer and no one has been able to give me a reasonable answer. My question is why do colonels and above that are pilots still maintain flying status by doing their required flying hours. It seems like like at least fiscal irresponsibility at worst fraud waste and abuse. Clearly a brigadier general isn't flying combat sorties or anything of the sort so he is either wasting money that could be spent elsewhere or cutting sorties for pilots that will actually need them. Again I might be short sighted but from my point of view this is a strange situation. Thanks for your responses!
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Interesting question SSgt (Join to see). I think there are several contributing factors why you see many senior leaders still flying. Here are a few of my assumptions:
- Commanders who maintain a flying status have a unique bond with their unit and personnel. I would assume this is the same feeling in Army units where senior leaders still move within the formations on the ground and get a firsthand perspective on the issues their troops are encountering. This isn't an everyday occurrence, but still keeps them in touch with what matters to their soldiers.
- Having recent firsthand knowledge of the weapon systems we are employing will assist with making though calls down the road that will impact both the operators and support personnel.
- I personally want a commander and senior officers who are still in touch with their operational roots as I think it makes them better decision makers and candidates to lead units that still have a flying mission.
These folks might also have some useful insight: Maj Tyrone Frost Maj (Join to see) Col (Join to see) Lt Col (Join to see) Brig Gen John Michel Col Matthew Fritz
Note: I altered the discussion title slightly to highlight the main intent of your question. Hope that is okay with you.
- Commanders who maintain a flying status have a unique bond with their unit and personnel. I would assume this is the same feeling in Army units where senior leaders still move within the formations on the ground and get a firsthand perspective on the issues their troops are encountering. This isn't an everyday occurrence, but still keeps them in touch with what matters to their soldiers.
- Having recent firsthand knowledge of the weapon systems we are employing will assist with making though calls down the road that will impact both the operators and support personnel.
- I personally want a commander and senior officers who are still in touch with their operational roots as I think it makes them better decision makers and candidates to lead units that still have a flying mission.
These folks might also have some useful insight: Maj Tyrone Frost Maj (Join to see) Col (Join to see) Lt Col (Join to see) Brig Gen John Michel Col Matthew Fritz
Note: I altered the discussion title slightly to highlight the main intent of your question. Hope that is okay with you.
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LTC Stephen C.
SSgt (Join to see), General Doolittle's raid on Tokyo is indeed what he is remembered for, as it was essentially a pubic statement made not only to the Empire of Japan, but also to the American people and the world at large. However, to ignore Doolittle's body of work after the raid, especially his decisions in Europe, is an error. He was a general officer at the time and that's also when he was flying combat missions.
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Thanks for including me Capt Charters. as some folks have mentioned, I think a high quality leader leads from the front. And some times the only way to have a clear sight picture of the operation is through participation. See what your subordinates are really doing, and endure the same struggles and stressors of the job. Also, in order to continue flying, they have to also undergo flight physicals and some type of in flight testing. From a nursing standpoint, some of my best nurse managers and flight commanders would routinely do shifts at the patients bedside. We all admired that as it demonstrated they cared about what we were doing.
Lastly, I think it greatly helps leadership make effective decisions. So many times leaders are sooooooo far removed from the "front lines" yet they make decisions regarding the actions of those in the trenches. And as a result of not having a clear understanding, those decisions aren't always the best for the workers or the organization as a whole.
Lastly, I think it greatly helps leadership make effective decisions. So many times leaders are sooooooo far removed from the "front lines" yet they make decisions regarding the actions of those in the trenches. And as a result of not having a clear understanding, those decisions aren't always the best for the workers or the organization as a whole.
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Lt Col (Join to see)
I'll also add that your senior leaders (Wing and Group commanders) are your advocates up the chain for changes to the aircraft, resources for maintenance, training, changes to regulations or other training plans, changes to your aircraft's role in operational plans...do you want someone who has not flown the aircraft in years making decisions about what the new equipment should look like, what training we should add/change/cut, or what difficulties need to be addressed first?
I can read a book or report about flying the airplane, but that doesn't give me the experience of actually flying it.
Finally, and perhaps lowest down the list, since a good leader can make it happen regardless...we have a culture that there is "no rank in the jet", i.e., any crew member can be called out for anything, because if the junior captain co-pilot is afraid to tell the Col pilot that he's too low, he'll kill the entire crew. The days senior leaders fly is a chance for them to get feedback from the lower levels about policies, difficulties, issues, and so on. Feedback that would otherwise get filtered from the SQ/CC, the OG/CCE, and so forth. Feedback that they may not get in another setting.
I can read a book or report about flying the airplane, but that doesn't give me the experience of actually flying it.
Finally, and perhaps lowest down the list, since a good leader can make it happen regardless...we have a culture that there is "no rank in the jet", i.e., any crew member can be called out for anything, because if the junior captain co-pilot is afraid to tell the Col pilot that he's too low, he'll kill the entire crew. The days senior leaders fly is a chance for them to get feedback from the lower levels about policies, difficulties, issues, and so on. Feedback that would otherwise get filtered from the SQ/CC, the OG/CCE, and so forth. Feedback that they may not get in another setting.
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Capt Brandon Charters
That is another great example of leading from the front. Thanks for sharing LT.
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I am an enlisted aviator and wondered that myself when I began my career. At my current point in my own career the same could be asked me, why I still fly? The best reason, leadership!! Plainly put real leaders don't lead from behind a desk. If you did not see your leaders "out there" observing what is happening for themselves how else could a "leader" identify positive or negative trends and effectively lead an organization and maintain good order and discipline.
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Happy to weigh in, Brandon. Without a doubt, there is a responsibility of commanders to be an active part of the mission they lead. As well, senior leaders who are also rated aviators have a responsibility to maintain their aeronautical rating, a responsibility that entails flying and logging requisite hours and qualification commensurate with their skill level. Believe it or not, even Colonels and Generals can offer some wisdom and air-sense to the members of their crew or flight based upon a perspective gained through years of flying and experience ;)
I hope this helps!
I hope this helps!
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Capt Brandon Charters
Col Matthew Fritz, Thanks for taking the time on this question. I think there are many airmen in mission support roles that are asking this similar question. It's great to hear the perspective of a senior rated leader. With the many years of collective flying experience, I'm sure Colonels (and on up) can easily add to the collective knowledge on a flight deck. And I'm sure the younger wings have shown off a new few tricks as well. Overall, a great information sharing op.
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Col (Join to see)
It is also important for senior officers to stay relevant -- to understand the current flight operations -- and not get stuck in "the way it used to be" mentality.
And an important part of that is to get on the flightline and see what our maintenance and aviation mission support people do to generate air power.
I just wish the Colonels and Generals in charge of other mission areas also could "re-blue" themselves by doing what our great Airmen do in every mission area...I am sure there are great leaders who do so, but unfortunately it isn't so obvious when they do as when Colonels and Generals fly.
And an important part of that is to get on the flightline and see what our maintenance and aviation mission support people do to generate air power.
I just wish the Colonels and Generals in charge of other mission areas also could "re-blue" themselves by doing what our great Airmen do in every mission area...I am sure there are great leaders who do so, but unfortunately it isn't so obvious when they do as when Colonels and Generals fly.
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