Posted on Mar 2, 2020
What are the regulations regarding BAH during training for Nat'l Guard when it extends beyond 140 days?
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I'm at a school (AIT for my SECOND MOS) that lasts longer than 140 days, and I was recently told that my BAH (thousands of dollars) will be recouped because I'm living in barracks. Essentially, the way I understand it is that they assume you'll leave behind your apartment or residence to go to a longer school because they provide housing. I don't really understand because when you're in the nat'l guard you have a home or apartment that you go back to whether it's months or a year. We can't just throw away everything for six months. The expense is going to be a real hardship for me.
Additionally, others in the nat'l guard here are not experiencing this issue. It's only me, from the state of Iowa.
Does anyone have any information that can help?
Nothing I've found is either consistent or making a lot of sense to me.
**** Update ****
We've found the regulation regarding the situation. Financial Management Regulation (DoD 7000 14-R, Volume 7A, Ch. 26, pg. 80-82).
Essentially, it's exactly as bad and real as it sounds. They expect members without dependents to either give up or somehow support their lease/mortgage agreements without BAH for any training that is longer than 140. It makes absolutely zero sense for reserve and guard members. It creates financial hardship specifically for any soldier without dependents.
Please, does anyone have any example of an exception to this policy or some idea on how this can be worked out??
Additionally, others in the nat'l guard here are not experiencing this issue. It's only me, from the state of Iowa.
Does anyone have any information that can help?
Nothing I've found is either consistent or making a lot of sense to me.
**** Update ****
We've found the regulation regarding the situation. Financial Management Regulation (DoD 7000 14-R, Volume 7A, Ch. 26, pg. 80-82).
Essentially, it's exactly as bad and real as it sounds. They expect members without dependents to either give up or somehow support their lease/mortgage agreements without BAH for any training that is longer than 140. It makes absolutely zero sense for reserve and guard members. It creates financial hardship specifically for any soldier without dependents.
Please, does anyone have any example of an exception to this policy or some idea on how this can be worked out??
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unless it's a state specific policy.... I've never heard of it. My OBC was 24 weeks and I lived in VOQ and still got BAH. It should be no different from getting deployed. They don't expect you to dump all your crap into storage when you get deployed.
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Thank you sir.
I didn't have this issue during my deployment at all, and truly didn't expect it coming here.
I didn't have this issue during my deployment at all, and truly didn't expect it coming here.
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UPDATE 10 Feb 2020
This is an ongoing struggle.
The debt was established and over $1,000 was taken from a single paycheck during BLC when it was my only source of income; my readiness NCO and I had to REQUEST a reduced amount be taken.
The regulation exists to the dismay of anyone to whom it is unequally applied. Even the response from a congressional inquiry from the office of an Iowa senator essentially responded reiterating the regulation, ignoring the extenuating circumstances and unequal application of the regulation.
I'm at the step of essentially compiling everything I possibly can regards to the debt and requesting a remission of the remaining amount.
The financial strain, time, and emotional energy should be worth something but it simply is not unfortunately. The Army has work to do to be worthy of its retention goals.
This is an ongoing struggle.
The debt was established and over $1,000 was taken from a single paycheck during BLC when it was my only source of income; my readiness NCO and I had to REQUEST a reduced amount be taken.
The regulation exists to the dismay of anyone to whom it is unequally applied. Even the response from a congressional inquiry from the office of an Iowa senator essentially responded reiterating the regulation, ignoring the extenuating circumstances and unequal application of the regulation.
I'm at the step of essentially compiling everything I possibly can regards to the debt and requesting a remission of the remaining amount.
The financial strain, time, and emotional energy should be worth something but it simply is not unfortunately. The Army has work to do to be worthy of its retention goals.
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I’m currently reclassing and no one here has that issue. If your unit hasn’t been of any help and there’s a Guard/Reserve liaison where you are I’d go talk to them. The only issue I’ve seen any Guard/Reserve folks here run into is getting type II initially instead of type I.
Definitely start with your readiness NCO though.
Definitely start with your readiness NCO though.
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Thank you Sgt.
So, it should be type 1 for training longer than 30 days, I've read. Correct?
My chain of command is already looking into it as well, and I was just asked if I knew which type I was getting. I don't.
Do you know how one would find out which type they're receiving?
So, it should be type 1 for training longer than 30 days, I've read. Correct?
My chain of command is already looking into it as well, and I was just asked if I knew which type I was getting. I don't.
Do you know how one would find out which type they're receiving?
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SSG (Join to see)
Thank you.
Others who are in the guard here came together and it doesn't say on any of ours, actually. It's odd.
Others who are in the guard here came together and it doesn't say on any of ours, actually. It's odd.
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