Posted on Mar 20, 2015
PO2 James Craig
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CPT Zachary Brooks
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Seems to be more of a National Guard mission to me personally.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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It matters not who is on the border, AD, NG, or border patrol. If the elected civilian leadership has no will to enforce immigration, and the borders in general, the "who" that secures the border is meaningless.
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PO2 Boatswain's Mate
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I agree with Captain. Should be done by National Guard.
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MSG Paul DePrimo
MSG Paul DePrimo
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Absolutely a National Guard mission. Created to protect the Home front not backfill active duty overseas! This can be on a rotational basis with all states. Have 3 week Annual trainings and rotate between states. While on duty can do all kinds of shooting, moving and communicating!.
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SFC Don Ward
SFC Don Ward
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How does he figure the law is not a problem. This is a policing action, and posse commitatus says the active military cannot be used for policing actions on US soil
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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The US Military is very capable of defending US borders. The question becomes one of law, mission, training and will. The first three can be handled without too much trouble, if the fourth (will) is in favor of actually securing the borders. It will take a President and Congress willing to recognize the influx of illegal aliens entering the US as an invasion--a clear and present danger to the nation. Too many politicians see illegals as potential voters right now.

The DOD knows how to secure a geographical area. The DOD has studied this mission in the past. In the 1980s we determined it would take several Army Divisions, Air Force Squadrons, and Navy and Coast Guard ships to do the job on the Southern border. The concern then was drugs more than illegal people entering the US. These wouldn't be force deployments, but repositioning and re-missioning of forces currently garrisoned in the US. Technology has improved, so the surveillance part of the mission may take fewer people today, but the enforcement part--catching the invaders--is still manpower intensive.

We must make potential illegal border crossers believe it is too hard and too expensive to cross the border and the flow will greatly decrease or stop. As pointed out earlier in this string, the use of deadly force is a major problem. The rules of engagement for US military personnel are very important. We don't want to indiscriminately shoot people crossing the border when we could capture them and return them. However, the military personnel must have the right to defend themselves. We also have to accept that there will be unfortunate instances of the excessive use of force and be ready to deal with them appropriately. Passive border protection means can be effective in stopping the "invasion." Fences, sensors, satellites, drones, etc., can be used to detect and possibly deter the invaders. Strategic communication to the populations in Central and South America can also help stem the flow. Would-be illegals must believe they will face great physical difficulty in crossing the border, and if they do make it across capture or death may result (we don't actually have to kill them, just make them think we would).

Finally, we have to effectively remove the factors that draw people to enter the US illegally (includes overstaying visa). Note that very few West Berliners tried to "escape" into East Berlin while many East Berliners risked their lives to escape to the West. We need to aggressively seek and capture illegal aliens and deport them at every opportunity in a very public way. The laws preventing hiring of illegals need to be enforced. We need to prevent illegals from getting Government hand outs, welfare, Medicade, etc., in a serious and effective way. And, we need to absolutely block any path to citizenship to those who are in the US illegally. If the incentive of a better life, good job and Government freebies is removed, the flow of illegals will greatly decrease making border enforcement easier.
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SSG Melvin Nulph
SSG Melvin Nulph
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Love the way your mind is working. To get the ones in our government to think the same way, we'll we have all delt with that way to long. I would love to see it implemented but not sure why others don't see things the same way. Change, something they claim they want yet not willing to give anything to get it is very much unrealistic.
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PO2 Bruce Mckay
PO2 Bruce Mckay
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Good points all.so my question is how hard is it to insert tango's and arms,drugs,money,gear now and if you think its hard look at sized drug rate.civs in liberal way of thinkin helping the poor people.gove aid and comfort.please wake the hell up.
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SSgt Jon- Karen Arthur
SSgt Jon- Karen Arthur
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I couldn't have put it any better.
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MSG(P) Thomas Finn
MSG(P) Thomas Finn
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Dirty water but one day it will have to be done. Unfortunately it will take a national disaster.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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I voted no, though it's really a two part answer. The US military should defend the border when there is a threat from a foreign military or equally dangerous adversary. The US military should not be used to catch illegal immigrants, drug smugglers, and other activities that are criminal in nature... that is what we have law enforcement and other government agencies for. There are plenty of agencies better equipped to catch terrorists in the US as well... we don't need the active duty military doing that.

The military should be used to seek out the enemy and destroy it... not to sit on a fence in the United States... in my personal opinion.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
LTC Yinon Weiss
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SSG (Join to see) - The difference is twofold. 1) There is a large and well armed military threat by North Korea staring them down. We do not consider the Mexican Army or the Canadian Army to be the same. And 2) the military is enforcing a peace treaty as part of a war that we fought in.

Historically, if the U.S. Military was not in the DMZ, then North Korea would have invaded. Not so with the Mexican or Canadian Armies.
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SA Harold Hansmann
SA Harold Hansmann
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So, the drug cartel bringing the drugs into America, so your children and every other American child can get hooked on them, personally, I see that as an act of war. These yahoos are poisoning our people with these chemicals. Don't we have enough idiots here in this country making enough poison with out defending our borders against more coming in?
My personal opinion.
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As far as the drug cartels, I think we could say the same thing about the pharmaceutical industry, home grown meth labs, etc. More Americans are hooked on prescribed anti-anxiety drugs, pain pills, sleeping pills, etc. than what is smuggled over from Mexico.
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PO2 Charles Scearce
PO2 Charles Scearce
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when do we stop the illegals? now is the time. Congress needs to authorize the use of tear gas at a minimum. Legal Americans have been denied a decent job for years because
of the illegals especially in Arizona and South Texas. Millions of Americans have given their lives for what we have in this country. This caravan needs to go home and clean up the problems in their own countries. they are nothing but a bunch of cowards. They are not underfed. Look at all the overweight people in the caravan
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