Posted on Jan 9, 2020
Advice and thoughts on woman joining Infantry (11B)?
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I still have not chose a job. I’m honestly doing as much research and getting as many perspectives as I can from whoever I can. I like hearing everyone’s experiences and opinions. 11B is not my number one choice, I won’t lie, but it does interest me. It’s intriguing to learn about as a female. What is the training and future enlistment journey like as an 11B? Female or male perspective.
Posted 5 y ago
Responses: 33
The future looks like Hip fractures and a medical separation board if you aren't already pretty stout and in good shape. It looks like poor promotions if you aren't physically fit enough to score well on your PT tests. It looks like animosity from your team if you aren't fast enough to keep up on the runs, or strong enough to carry the heaviest ruck, or machine gun, or the dead weight of the heaviest guy in the platoon.
If you're up for that challenge, you're fit, and your body has a history of handling physical stress well, then the opportunities are great and the promotions are the best in the Army. If you're not already functioning at that level, Basic training won't suddenly make you stronger and you will eventually break yourself
If you're up for that challenge, you're fit, and your body has a history of handling physical stress well, then the opportunities are great and the promotions are the best in the Army. If you're not already functioning at that level, Basic training won't suddenly make you stronger and you will eventually break yourself
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MSG Andrew White
I RETIRED 22 YEARS AGO FROM THE MILITARY AND 10 YEARS AGO FROM THE DETROIT POLICE DEPARTMENT NARCOTICS SECTION-MY LEGS, KNEES AND HIPS ARE DEFINITELY DAMAGED, YOU CAN LOOK AT MY WEIGHT AND SEE NOTHING IS WRONG WITH MY UPPER BODY AND ARMS, I'M ALWAYS EATING!! LOL
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SSG Paul Headlee
SFC Jason Boyd That is VERY objective and sound advice. Ashley Nicole I've done this job. It is exceptionally competitive. The conditions are harsh. The resentment is real because all the young bucks think they can do it better than you until you DEMONSTRATE to them you are the alpha in every way. If you can do that they will have a sense of respect for you. Anything less and poor results will follow. The woodline thing is real. That's it in a nutshell.
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OK, I"ll give you the same advice that I gave the young lady considering trying to become an Infantry Officer.
Number one, forget about the female side of the APFT. If you can't pass the APFT scoring above 80 percent on the 21 year old male scale, you aren't going to get any respect from any of your squad and platoon mates. That isn't regulations, but it certainly reality. Be ready to live in the field a lot, in conditions were you are cold, or hot, or wet, or a combination of any of those, with little sleep and sometimes little food while carrying 80 lbs of gear for miles. Be aware that everyone gets hurt at sometime during their time as a grunt. I'm lucky, I've pulled ligaments in both ankles and banged up my knees, but nothing more serious than arthritis in the knees as a result.
Be prepared for the fact that Talking Shit is an art form in the Infantry. When your job demands that you put your life on the line, language isn't important, it's simply a test to see how much your buddies can take. Since you don't associate with those assholes in A, C, and D, the people you talk shit to is your squad and platoon mates. You love them, you need them, that's why it's OK to talk about their Mothers. If that bothers you, find a different MOS.
Listen to your NCO's, they will have forgotten more that you will know for a long time in a unit. Understand that you will need to be tactically proficient to gain the respect of a bunch of 19 to 25 year old grunts. Learn your job and be at the top of the game.
The lifestyle of a Grunt is more physically and mentally demanding than most people not on that side of the military can imagine.
Now that I've made it sound horrible, I enlisted Infantry and branched Infantry and wouldn't trade the experience for anything. Infantry and Armor is where the Rubber meets the Road in the Army. It is what the Army is all about. Having said that, I will point out that I ended up my service time at an Engineer Officer, which I liked as much as I did the Infantry.
Number one, forget about the female side of the APFT. If you can't pass the APFT scoring above 80 percent on the 21 year old male scale, you aren't going to get any respect from any of your squad and platoon mates. That isn't regulations, but it certainly reality. Be ready to live in the field a lot, in conditions were you are cold, or hot, or wet, or a combination of any of those, with little sleep and sometimes little food while carrying 80 lbs of gear for miles. Be aware that everyone gets hurt at sometime during their time as a grunt. I'm lucky, I've pulled ligaments in both ankles and banged up my knees, but nothing more serious than arthritis in the knees as a result.
Be prepared for the fact that Talking Shit is an art form in the Infantry. When your job demands that you put your life on the line, language isn't important, it's simply a test to see how much your buddies can take. Since you don't associate with those assholes in A, C, and D, the people you talk shit to is your squad and platoon mates. You love them, you need them, that's why it's OK to talk about their Mothers. If that bothers you, find a different MOS.
Listen to your NCO's, they will have forgotten more that you will know for a long time in a unit. Understand that you will need to be tactically proficient to gain the respect of a bunch of 19 to 25 year old grunts. Learn your job and be at the top of the game.
The lifestyle of a Grunt is more physically and mentally demanding than most people not on that side of the military can imagine.
Now that I've made it sound horrible, I enlisted Infantry and branched Infantry and wouldn't trade the experience for anything. Infantry and Armor is where the Rubber meets the Road in the Army. It is what the Army is all about. Having said that, I will point out that I ended up my service time at an Engineer Officer, which I liked as much as I did the Infantry.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
I thought I would add a comment that the PC don't talk about, but never the less is real. Men and women are built differently, from bone density, to muscular build and skeletal build. The records show that you will be significantly more likely to sustain a serious injury as opposed to your male peers doing the same tasks. The rate of injury in the Infantry for males is high enough, so you have to decide if the additional risk is worth it.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
To give credit where credit is due, this was a slightly paraphrased comment from one of Ranger Up's Tee Shirt Adds. "Be prepared for the fact that Talking Shit is an art form in the Infantry. When your job demands that you put your life on the line, language isn't important, it's simply a test to see how much your buddies can take. Since you don't associate with those assholes in A, C, and D, the people you talk shit to is your squad and platoon mates. You love them, you need them, that's why it's OK to talk about their Mothers."
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I have never been in any infantry unit or attached to any infantry unit except maybe during a deployment. I,as a female, do not need fell like putting my body through all that extra vigorous, heavy and physical hardship on my body. I get enough of that in the medical field and doing regular Army training. Nor am I a fan of constantly being in the field,doing a lot field training or deploying a lot. If you are a very athletic female, strong and has a big, sturdy body then go for it. You should also be more emotionally, mentally and psychologically stable and not easily "triggered" by teasing and people messing with you because you will be tested more and looked at more as a female.
Why don't you look into Civil affairs? I think they work in small teams a lot and they are always traveling to obscure and diverse places.
Why don't you look into Civil affairs? I think they work in small teams a lot and they are always traveling to obscure and diverse places.
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Ashley Nicole
Civil Affairs is actually an end goal of mine! I don’t qualify for it at the moment. I would have to raise my GT score and (from what I read), be enlisted for a little bit or at least have some experience in my MOS. But 38B was one of the first things that caught my attention.
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SSG Patricia Duggins
What is 38B? Anyway why don't you get into a medical MOS for now? Something you can do also when or if you leave the military. Healthcare specialist, practical nurse etc.. That would also go VERY well with the knowledge you gain as being part of a Civil Affairs unit. It is always good to have medical knowledge/experience when it is just a small team going out to remote places. Your GT score will be raised also. If you get out of the military you can join the Peace Corp or whatever other group does those travels to remote areas IF you still like that aspect of being in Civil Affairs. If you decide to do 20 or more years in the military that medical knowledge will still be good.
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SSG George Holtje
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I have to say a few medics have shown me a great respect for the ‘Docs’. (Doc James in Iraq, Doc Potts in Afghanistan) who carried their personal gear wherever they could find room and their giant aid bag. While we sat in position, the docs walked the patrol base checking feet and assessing pain.
I have to say a few medics have shown me a great respect for the ‘Docs’. (Doc James in Iraq, Doc Potts in Afghanistan) who carried their personal gear wherever they could find room and their giant aid bag. While we sat in position, the docs walked the patrol base checking feet and assessing pain.
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