Posted on Feb 28, 2015
This video shows how dangerous and sudden a misfire can be. Does your unit take “misfire procedures” training seriously enough?
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The round put in at :20 misfires. No injuries. http://www.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/1sidhm/this_happened_on_our_last_live_fire_120mm_white/
** Question for RP members: Misfires rarely happen, but when they do they can turn fatal quickly. How seriously does your unit take training on misfires? What is your first reaction to this misfire video?
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQWyzk-N6ro
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Across the DoD, misfires can occur with nearly every weapon system…from personal weapon to attack aviation weapons systems, and everything in between. Looking back at my time in the Army, I can say that I think some of my units DID NOT take misfire training seriously enough. We would go through it to check the box, but as I look back now, there were times when I was NOT 100% sure that every Soldier could back brief me or the Senior NCOs on how we handled misfires.
I am raising this important issue with everyone on RP because no matter what DoD branch we are in, misfires can happen to all of us. Please take a minute to read the questions above and share your experiences with misfires and misfire training.
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQWyzk-N6ro
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Across the DoD, misfires can occur with nearly every weapon system…from personal weapon to attack aviation weapons systems, and everything in between. Looking back at my time in the Army, I can say that I think some of my units DID NOT take misfire training seriously enough. We would go through it to check the box, but as I look back now, there were times when I was NOT 100% sure that every Soldier could back brief me or the Senior NCOs on how we handled misfires.
I am raising this important issue with everyone on RP because no matter what DoD branch we are in, misfires can happen to all of us. Please take a minute to read the questions above and share your experiences with misfires and misfire training.
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That is the equivalent of 15 pots of coffee! Or as a comedian once said about extremely stressful events "First you say it.......then you do it!"
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My battalion, the Fort Jackson Special Troops Battalion (formerly, 4-10 IN BN), in partnership with the unit Drill Sergeants and Cadre, provides training to every Basic Trainee on Fort Jackson on rifle marksmanship, machine guns, hand grenades, AT-4, M203, and other non-weapon skills, ranges and training sites.
We take this extremely seriously! With Infantrymen, with many years of using these weapons systems as the Subject Matter Experts, and the DS and Cadre also trained, we make sure that the trainees understand what is going on and we watch carefully to prevent incidents.
Of course, things still happen, but we mitigate the risk as much as possible.
We take this extremely seriously! With Infantrymen, with many years of using these weapons systems as the Subject Matter Experts, and the DS and Cadre also trained, we make sure that the trainees understand what is going on and we watch carefully to prevent incidents.
Of course, things still happen, but we mitigate the risk as much as possible.
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This of course being ancient history, but back in 1994, I had a buddy who was behind an Mk 19 when it blew. He was in MCT, one of the grenades "short fired" and got stuck in the barrel. It hadn't armed, however that didn't matter when the second round impacted a second later.
Luckily his kevlar took "most" of the impact, and he happened to be wearing a pair of ballistic glasses at the time. His A-Gunner took a bit of shrapnel in his arm, and he had some nice scars across his face.
Now, there wasn't much he could have done about that, but proper safety saved both of them.
We do a lot of really cool, and really fun things. But a lot of these things also involve explosives. Hell yes, we took anything that could get us killed very seriously. Every commander I've ever had has said "I'm not going to lose a Marine in training."
Luckily his kevlar took "most" of the impact, and he happened to be wearing a pair of ballistic glasses at the time. His A-Gunner took a bit of shrapnel in his arm, and he had some nice scars across his face.
Now, there wasn't much he could have done about that, but proper safety saved both of them.
We do a lot of really cool, and really fun things. But a lot of these things also involve explosives. Hell yes, we took anything that could get us killed very seriously. Every commander I've ever had has said "I'm not going to lose a Marine in training."
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
"...proper safety saved both of them" -- amen to that! Kudos to your unit for taking this stuff very seriously!
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Sir, don't get me wrong, I've seen unsafe things as well, but far more "we take safety seriously" than the other.
My first CAX had a fatality (training) during a live fire, and that was a bad bad day. I also knew a guy with a dozen pins in his hand because his HMMWV rolled (not through negligence). Heck, I've mentioned falling off the side of a mountain once (my own fault).
Safety is about vigilance. It's like terrorism. You have to have 100% defense. Drop your guard at the wrong second, and bad things happen. It's just a matter of how bad.
My first CAX had a fatality (training) during a live fire, and that was a bad bad day. I also knew a guy with a dozen pins in his hand because his HMMWV rolled (not through negligence). Heck, I've mentioned falling off the side of a mountain once (my own fault).
Safety is about vigilance. It's like terrorism. You have to have 100% defense. Drop your guard at the wrong second, and bad things happen. It's just a matter of how bad.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS all good points. You know what, you should seriously write a Command Post article on your thoughts on this issue. People would love to read that, and the way you are articulating your points is top notch.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Thank you Sir, I'll think about it. I wouldn't really know where to begin on it though. I'll let it fester in the brain housing group for a while and see what I can come up with.
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