Posted on Aug 12, 2019
Would taking flight lessons prior to submitting my WOFT application increase its competitiveness?
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As a senior in high school I’ve realized my dreams won’t work unless I do. So, I’ve been working extra hard on my physical and mental self to prepare for the rigors of flight school. Any edge I can get in my application I’m willing to work for, which is why I’m considering taking private flight lessons. Before I spend over half my part-time job income on lessons, will it be worth it for me? I’ve heard that previous aviation experience, but if I’m only able to gain 10-20 hours would it be seen as anything significant? Sorry for the essay, but any help is appreciated more than you’d understand.
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Responses: 8
Here is the truth, military flight training is tough but it was harder getting accepted than it was making it through the program. If you have a good basic flight aptitude and are willing to listen and stay focused, you can make it through. I am certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed and I made it. Don't get me wrong, it is challenging but it doesn't require you to be a master of anything before you start.
Because of that, the decision of whether you should take flight training prior to going depends on what you are trying to get out of it. It will not give you an edge up on your selection over another applicant unless everything else is equal between you. It really won't help you in flight training except you will have a little better understanding of what instructors are talking about when it comes to the traffic pattern and some aerodynamics. You will still have to do all of the training everyone else does so some will be redundant.
However, a little flight training will give you some confidence that this is something you really want to do. I went through flight school with one guy who after flying about 10 hours dropped out. Why? because flying was not what he thought it would be and it scared him. It probably seemed cool on TV. Better to know that you don't like flying before you go through basic training and Warrant Officer Candidate School and then realize you made a mistake. You don't need your pilot certificate to figure that out. Just go out for a few hours, learn a little bit and see if it is what you really want to do.
Good luck to you. I enjoyed my military flying career and I hope you will too.
Because of that, the decision of whether you should take flight training prior to going depends on what you are trying to get out of it. It will not give you an edge up on your selection over another applicant unless everything else is equal between you. It really won't help you in flight training except you will have a little better understanding of what instructors are talking about when it comes to the traffic pattern and some aerodynamics. You will still have to do all of the training everyone else does so some will be redundant.
However, a little flight training will give you some confidence that this is something you really want to do. I went through flight school with one guy who after flying about 10 hours dropped out. Why? because flying was not what he thought it would be and it scared him. It probably seemed cool on TV. Better to know that you don't like flying before you go through basic training and Warrant Officer Candidate School and then realize you made a mistake. You don't need your pilot certificate to figure that out. Just go out for a few hours, learn a little bit and see if it is what you really want to do.
Good luck to you. I enjoyed my military flying career and I hope you will too.
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Cameron H.
Thank you for this response, it was really what I was looking for. All in all, I’ve made the decision to take lessons no matter what. It’s what I’ve wanted to do for a while and you’re totally right about being sure about wanting to fly.
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I can’t speak to the WO application, but a few flight hours might be a good investment in your future. If you have little to no experience actually flying small aircraft, then you should give it a try. If you love it, then the cost and work needed to fly more will be worth it to you. If you hate it, then now is the time to find out.
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I'm going to be honest...that depends on a lot. Do you think you have a good shot already based on other factors? Do you think you can complete your PPL before reporting?
Before reporting to flight training at NAS Pensacola, I had logged a substantial amount of time towards my PPL (can't remember the exact number of hours, but I estimate I had been flying once or twice a week for more than six months). However, I didn't have time to complete.
I arrived for training with great "stick" skills, understood systems extremely well, and aced by briefs...I was also in peak physical shape, and cut through API like a knife through hot butter.
Then, I got to the squadron, and the bottom quickly fell out (I was DOR within twelve months).
Military aviation is very, very different from general aviation. For starters, the standards are MUCH higher for things like IFR and flight planning. You'll have to hit waypoints EXACTLY...without breaking minimums for height and separation from the mark-on-top. You'll be required to report remaining hours of fuel, outbound legs, and approach procedures, almost from memory, while communicating with multiple ground controllers. Aviation training culture in the military is (at least was) based on something of an "attrition culture"...it's the whole, "look right, look left...one of these people won't be here when you leave...etc..etc.). The pace is demanding, and so is the flying.
Not to say that it's not worth every second of it...I wish I had been older/wiser, and stuck it out.
My advice is this; do a little "casual" flying with a focus on procedures/navigation...just to get your headspace and timing. Don't put yourself through trying to get a PPL, UNLESS you don't think you have a strong application, and need every "plug" you can get. I'm sure it looks good to the boards, and it does point to a higher potential for success...but only if you complete.
Before reporting to flight training at NAS Pensacola, I had logged a substantial amount of time towards my PPL (can't remember the exact number of hours, but I estimate I had been flying once or twice a week for more than six months). However, I didn't have time to complete.
I arrived for training with great "stick" skills, understood systems extremely well, and aced by briefs...I was also in peak physical shape, and cut through API like a knife through hot butter.
Then, I got to the squadron, and the bottom quickly fell out (I was DOR within twelve months).
Military aviation is very, very different from general aviation. For starters, the standards are MUCH higher for things like IFR and flight planning. You'll have to hit waypoints EXACTLY...without breaking minimums for height and separation from the mark-on-top. You'll be required to report remaining hours of fuel, outbound legs, and approach procedures, almost from memory, while communicating with multiple ground controllers. Aviation training culture in the military is (at least was) based on something of an "attrition culture"...it's the whole, "look right, look left...one of these people won't be here when you leave...etc..etc.). The pace is demanding, and so is the flying.
Not to say that it's not worth every second of it...I wish I had been older/wiser, and stuck it out.
My advice is this; do a little "casual" flying with a focus on procedures/navigation...just to get your headspace and timing. Don't put yourself through trying to get a PPL, UNLESS you don't think you have a strong application, and need every "plug" you can get. I'm sure it looks good to the boards, and it does point to a higher potential for success...but only if you complete.
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LCDR Keith Trepanier
So you went through API and then DOR'd after 12 months in the squadron? You were nearly done. What happened?
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LCDR Joshua Gillespie
LCDR Keith Trepanier -I graduated from Primary at VT-4 (SNFO) ; made the call before starting Intermediate and moving on to VT-86. That was a long time ago, but as I remember it, most of us were taking up to two+ years to get to the RAG. It's a long story, but it all came down to the last month or so. Just never got ahead of the calculations once I hit the back seat...was also working under some bad gouge-thought it would be better long-term to redesignate than pink-out. Obviously, that wasn't the case (or more accurately-wouldn't have mattered much either way). I did what I could, and managed to do two back-to-back sea tours as Mini on an LPD, then volunteered for the IA mission in Afghanistan.
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LCDR Keith Trepanier
That is too bad but it sounds like you made the best of the situation once you moved forward..
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LCDR Joshua Gillespie
Did what I could Keith-Looking back, if I had been sitting on the board that approved my service assignment...I'd have had a hard time recommending myself for NFO (based on academic background). I went on to fly a little more in general aviation, and did alright, but I excelled at other things, and would've been a better asset to the Navy in another designator. Seemed to "fit" into the ground mission pretty well too...who knows. Still, I'm grateful for the approximately ten years I served, and having had the opportunity to do a little bit of "everything" along the way, from subs and aviation, to convoys and hiking the mountains of Afghanistan.
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