Posted on Jul 6, 2019
Why are so many people in the military have a disrespectful?
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A lot of people will take this as I am being disrespectful but I am sure you have herd it well to many times. I have been reading a lot of questions on here about how soliders have been getting treated and wanted to ask it just me or am I the only one who sees this. All I hear is UCMJ this and counseling that. I have seen someone the other day not having the trailer feet down while it was being pulled by a lmtv and I told the soliders why I stopped him and helped him correct it but thought if someone else saw that I wonder would they be getting their assed chewed.
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SPC (Join to see) How about we use you personal antidote as an example." I have seen someone the other day not having the trailer feet down while it was being pulled by a lmtv and I told the soliders why I stopped him and helped him correct it but thought if someone else saw that I wonder would they be getting their assed chewed."
From your very limited perspective, a junior enlisted driving by, no prior knowledge of the SM, the unit, the equipment ... Your actions were personnel and on balance for the information you had. Well done for lending a hand.
Now, why might you have seen that same SM, truck and trailer getting his ass chewed on a different day?
Well perhaps because the NCO that stopped him, was his Section leader had just briefed the section that morning about ensuring the prime mover and trailer were ready for movement, a extra and specific briefing because the unit had just had a trailer damaged last week in a like failure to follow instructions , guidance and regulations.
Or Perhaps you see a CO grade Captain chewing that drivers ass and wounder why...not knowing that the unit is in deployment phase, that prime mover and its trailer are critical cargo in route to rail head, and the unit has a very small window to be at rail head, get equipment loaded that morning and any delays or equipment damage is mission critical.
Or you see a CO 1SG quitely , but firmly telling the driver and the TC, they needed to fix the issue, get the equipment into the closets parking lot and repot to his officer for counseling and part 1 of UCMJ....BECAUSE they had just damaged the company's trailer that morning when they failed to inspect prior to trying to depart the MP, the company XO had to go sign for another units trailer just so they could get ammo picked up on time...something that was now going to be late in any case as new driver and a TC had to be tasked due this dud pair screwing up again.
Perhaps you often see answers being given here by leaders with a wealth of knowledge and experience you don't yet have..or they are answering from a perspective of what can happen...based on policy, regulations or law.. Not the exceptions to those things a good leader might make when the SM standing in front of them is generally a good Soldier, made an honest mistake that is recoverable as no one was hurt, no damage to equipment, yet because the mistake could have caused both its worth a stern lecture, a general counseling statement to back up the conversation..where you the friendly and helpful SPC would have just handed them a lug wrench from your vehicle BII and watched as they tightened the remaining 3 of 8 lug nuts that had not yet fallen off.
From your very limited perspective, a junior enlisted driving by, no prior knowledge of the SM, the unit, the equipment ... Your actions were personnel and on balance for the information you had. Well done for lending a hand.
Now, why might you have seen that same SM, truck and trailer getting his ass chewed on a different day?
Well perhaps because the NCO that stopped him, was his Section leader had just briefed the section that morning about ensuring the prime mover and trailer were ready for movement, a extra and specific briefing because the unit had just had a trailer damaged last week in a like failure to follow instructions , guidance and regulations.
Or Perhaps you see a CO grade Captain chewing that drivers ass and wounder why...not knowing that the unit is in deployment phase, that prime mover and its trailer are critical cargo in route to rail head, and the unit has a very small window to be at rail head, get equipment loaded that morning and any delays or equipment damage is mission critical.
Or you see a CO 1SG quitely , but firmly telling the driver and the TC, they needed to fix the issue, get the equipment into the closets parking lot and repot to his officer for counseling and part 1 of UCMJ....BECAUSE they had just damaged the company's trailer that morning when they failed to inspect prior to trying to depart the MP, the company XO had to go sign for another units trailer just so they could get ammo picked up on time...something that was now going to be late in any case as new driver and a TC had to be tasked due this dud pair screwing up again.
Perhaps you often see answers being given here by leaders with a wealth of knowledge and experience you don't yet have..or they are answering from a perspective of what can happen...based on policy, regulations or law.. Not the exceptions to those things a good leader might make when the SM standing in front of them is generally a good Soldier, made an honest mistake that is recoverable as no one was hurt, no damage to equipment, yet because the mistake could have caused both its worth a stern lecture, a general counseling statement to back up the conversation..where you the friendly and helpful SPC would have just handed them a lug wrench from your vehicle BII and watched as they tightened the remaining 3 of 8 lug nuts that had not yet fallen off.
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I think more and more stress and frustration creeps in to our ranks. The best thing I did as a leader was decide to build others up when they made a mistake and save the ass chewing for rare occasions, making the impact of those much more effective.
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I think part of the problem is that our services have gotten away from the professionalism it once had. It's gotten lazy. Now before someone pulls out a soapbox, let me explain.
Used to be a troop messes up, say they accidentally brought a piece of brass or live ammo back from the range, they would be taken to the side and corrected. The NCO would dog the crap out of them and pound the point home that they screwed up, and that they need to pay attention, check and double check and not assume. Case closed, forward march, done. And that would be the end of it unless a repeat performance happened on that units watch by that same troop.
Today, that same situation results in at minimum a counseling statement and that is best case scenario. Common case is a summarized Article 15. Harsh but not career ending. If CoC are truly feeling it then they can press for a full on Article 15. The troop screwed up, granted, but was that necessary when an NCO could have stepped in, stepped up and mentored the troop. The lesson would still be learned.
I do see the military being quicker to jump to regs infractions on things and maybe that is a negative, or maybe it is an adjustment from decades prior of lax enforcement.
Used to be a troop messes up, say they accidentally brought a piece of brass or live ammo back from the range, they would be taken to the side and corrected. The NCO would dog the crap out of them and pound the point home that they screwed up, and that they need to pay attention, check and double check and not assume. Case closed, forward march, done. And that would be the end of it unless a repeat performance happened on that units watch by that same troop.
Today, that same situation results in at minimum a counseling statement and that is best case scenario. Common case is a summarized Article 15. Harsh but not career ending. If CoC are truly feeling it then they can press for a full on Article 15. The troop screwed up, granted, but was that necessary when an NCO could have stepped in, stepped up and mentored the troop. The lesson would still be learned.
I do see the military being quicker to jump to regs infractions on things and maybe that is a negative, or maybe it is an adjustment from decades prior of lax enforcement.
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SSG Brian G.
1SG John Millan - Yep. I remember as a young private I made the above mentioned mistake. A piece of brass got stuck on my person. I failed to check like the range sergeant and numerous other of my NCOES told me to. My fault totally. Discovering it I told my PSG about it and gave him the brass. He chewed my ass then detailed me out to do CQ duty that night. The next day however? My ass was down in the armory helping the Armorer as he cleaned and inspected each and every unassigned weapon our unit had. That was a long day.
The next time we went to the range my PSG singled me out, used me as the inspection dummy and I got tasked to "help" make sure we carried no more brass or live ammo home. And for me that shit struck home and I never did it again... anywhere, ever.
The next time we went to the range my PSG singled me out, used me as the inspection dummy and I got tasked to "help" make sure we carried no more brass or live ammo home. And for me that shit struck home and I never did it again... anywhere, ever.
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