Posted on Apr 13, 2019
Should troops be required to use knee and elbow pads during weapons qualification?
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What do you think about knee and elbow pads during weapons qualification? I was brought up wearing Full Battle Rattle. I’m sure it depends on the unit leadership. Nothing frustrates me more than seeing an individual without them on getting down gingerly into the prone because they don’t want to hurt their knees! Thoughts?
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When I was in, I hated PPE. I always left my throat protector off, and my chin strap. I hated wearing earplugs, and shoulder pads. I would only put them on when higher ups were around. I was that guy.
My stance has changed since then. I feel if you’re going to wear this stuff, (Knee/elbow pads included) you should train with them. If you’re doing static/dynamic range, you need to be in full combat mode. That’s just my opinion. Train like you fight.
My stance has changed since then. I feel if you’re going to wear this stuff, (Knee/elbow pads included) you should train with them. If you’re doing static/dynamic range, you need to be in full combat mode. That’s just my opinion. Train like you fight.
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I think this is the dumbest thing. I was brought up shooting slick. Every time I've taught someone to shoot, I started them off slick. I've had a lot of success teaching people to shoot who routinely shot poor before. The first thing I would do when teaching them is remove all their body armor so they learn to be comfortable shooting and it becomes something they enjoy.
People say train as you fight, shooting while wearing every piece of available body armor neglects the crawl, walk, run training methodology. Not to mention, you don't need to wear ALL of your equipment ALL of the time. Even different units have different requirements on what to wear. The amount of PPE should be scalable to the threat. It doesn't make sense to wear DAPS shoulder protectors, elbow pads and knee pads on a 5 mile dismounted patrol.
Personally, nothing frustrates me more than seeing common sense over ruled by policy and fear of risk. More is not always better, especially with PPE. Elbow pads and knee pads restrict air flow and increase the risk for hear casualties in hot environments. Plus they reduce mobility. Wearing chest plates makes getting in the prone almost pointless. You're placing your protection away from the threat and it raises you higher off the ground, counterproductive to the purpose of getting prone.
People say train as you fight, shooting while wearing every piece of available body armor neglects the crawl, walk, run training methodology. Not to mention, you don't need to wear ALL of your equipment ALL of the time. Even different units have different requirements on what to wear. The amount of PPE should be scalable to the threat. It doesn't make sense to wear DAPS shoulder protectors, elbow pads and knee pads on a 5 mile dismounted patrol.
Personally, nothing frustrates me more than seeing common sense over ruled by policy and fear of risk. More is not always better, especially with PPE. Elbow pads and knee pads restrict air flow and increase the risk for hear casualties in hot environments. Plus they reduce mobility. Wearing chest plates makes getting in the prone almost pointless. You're placing your protection away from the threat and it raises you higher off the ground, counterproductive to the purpose of getting prone.
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2LT (Join to see)
I hope when I get to my first platoon I have a common sense NCO with your level of eloquence.
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LCDR Joshua Gillespie
I have to admit, after writing my comments, and reading yours... I tip my hat to a better perspective. The basics are the key, and whatever it takes to instill good habits is wise.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
One poor decision the Army made was reducing the kevlar in the rear, supposedly to make shooting prone easier. What they did was expose the brain stem/ The amount people shoot prone, the risk v. benefit was not there. My POG fat ass still prefers LBE over any plates as slowing me down just makes me a target longer.
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They are useful but I never used them until the latter part of my career. If someone is getting down "gingerly" they probably do it with or without pads.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Thanks for the response. I was never given the option. They were required. I definitely saved a knee cap during a MTC training event. The stone busted the knee pad instead of my knee.
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CW5 Jack Cardwell
MAJ (Join to see) I didn't have an option either, they were not issued during most of my career.
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SPC Miles Blackman
I wish we had knee pads when I was in, even the kind that we could have worn under our uniform. After 7 years in the military and 20 years as a volunteer firefighter my knees are shot.
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