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Obviously this isn't across the board and there are Officers who always
do the right thing and NCO's who don't, but NCO's are expected to
enforce ALL standards while watching Officers (Especially Warrants) do what they want.<br>When soldiers cross the line we fix them
because that's what the Regulations tell us to enforce. CHAIN OF COMMAND
has implemented these Rules and Regulations. 4 Stars, SecDef etc. So
who are we to NOT do whats right? <br>Why do especially Senior Enlisted and Officers
think it's ok to not salute, or to put their hands in their pockets? Address each other by their First Names? The list goes on and on and we all know what I am talking about. The "small" things which mean more to some than others. <br>I
don't agree with the outdated Regulations and I hate doing it but when I don't enforce one
why enforce the other? My job isn't to take it upon myself and decide which ones
are important and which ones are not and neither is it anyone's job
here. Fact of the matter is that the more juniors see misconduct at ALL levels the more they think they are just as entitled. And even if not the real problem is at this point we are showing them that they have to learn to figure out which rules are right to break and which not. Where does it end?<br>Now I'm not some hard headed "that's the way it has to be" guy who can't think for himself, and I am just as guilty of being the decider of what to enforce but the question remains. Shouldn't the Seniors be leading by example and not use their seniority as a Privilege to break the rules simply because no one checks on them.<br>
do the right thing and NCO's who don't, but NCO's are expected to
enforce ALL standards while watching Officers (Especially Warrants) do what they want.<br>When soldiers cross the line we fix them
because that's what the Regulations tell us to enforce. CHAIN OF COMMAND
has implemented these Rules and Regulations. 4 Stars, SecDef etc. So
who are we to NOT do whats right? <br>Why do especially Senior Enlisted and Officers
think it's ok to not salute, or to put their hands in their pockets? Address each other by their First Names? The list goes on and on and we all know what I am talking about. The "small" things which mean more to some than others. <br>I
don't agree with the outdated Regulations and I hate doing it but when I don't enforce one
why enforce the other? My job isn't to take it upon myself and decide which ones
are important and which ones are not and neither is it anyone's job
here. Fact of the matter is that the more juniors see misconduct at ALL levels the more they think they are just as entitled. And even if not the real problem is at this point we are showing them that they have to learn to figure out which rules are right to break and which not. Where does it end?<br>Now I'm not some hard headed "that's the way it has to be" guy who can't think for himself, and I am just as guilty of being the decider of what to enforce but the question remains. Shouldn't the Seniors be leading by example and not use their seniority as a Privilege to break the rules simply because no one checks on them.<br>
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Standards are standards SSG Castle and they need to be enforced. Now that statement is very easy for me to say to you as a MSG to a SSG. You would say "Roger that" and move out and execute. You now know that my emphasis is on enforcing standards. I believe that is the problem out there in some units/formations/commands. There is a lack of command emphasis on enforcing standards as a whole. In my experience, you need to adjust your approach based on your audience when it comes on HOW you enforce those standards, but you should never walk away without correcting a deficiency. This process becomes very simple when enforcement of standards is a top priority of the command. If it is not, it almost feels at times like you are the only one out there making the on-the-spot corrections with no "top" support. That is a lonely place to be, but even in that scenario, we as NCOs still need to carry that torch.
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CMC Robert Young
MSG, no question that the command sets the tone for what is and isn't tolerated. Tough being the one guy who is carrying the torch, but we have to do it.
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The problem I've seen with enforcing Rules and Regs. is which to enforce and which to not. Too often have I seen seniors to me using certain rules and regs towards us as soldiers to their benefit, clearly ignoring others put in place as a sort of check and balance. I've also seen a lot of hypocrisy in this area as were stressed to follow certain rules, something as easy as showing up early for formation, yet our NCOs can come as late as they please and no word is said to them. If you're going to set a standard, set it across the board, please don't pick and choose.
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SSG (Join to see)
I agree with most of what you said, but one thing stood out to me that I
have to comment on. When an NCO's is late to a formation as a PFC you may not
see what happens behind the doors. Sometimes just a "SGT see me
later" from the PLT Daddy can be taken as a "he got away with
it" scenario. In reality that SGT got scuffed the F*** up later. Some
believe that as NCO's, Soldiers should look up to them and seeing your
supervisor always getting corrected may lead junior enlisted to lose faith in
him or her.
On the contrary, if it’s an often occurrence then something is wrong, and
should be addressed.
Also sometimes it is good for people of every rank to be corrected. We all
make mistakes and we are human. You won’t see most seniors get corrected as
harsh or often because after years of service they don’t make the large or
common mistakes. Most of the time it’s something they can learn from and drive
on. Junior service members are still being trained and tailored to the military
even after basic and AIT.
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SSG (Join to see)
I think it is always important to remember that NCO's have leadership responsibilities and if the PLT SGT is aware why someone is late for formation or is not present at a formation, most likely there could have been a discussion prior to so that the NCO could take care of a task or repsonsibility that had to be taken care of.
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I agree SSG Christian.
AND it is not the PSGs job to tell the soldiers why the NCO was late.. If your PSG is a good NCO he is handling business, as a PVT -SPC or for that matter an NCO, it is none of your business and no one should have to justify it to you. Trust your Seniors they will make it right 99.9% of the time.
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I would love to hear a warrants point of view on hands in pockets, glasses on their head, hair cuts, side burns and 670-1.
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