Posted on Jan 24, 2014
Should increased civilian education be compensated at the senior NCO levels since it is becoming a requirement for promotion?
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Looking at the command structures many officers have senior
NCO's working hand in hand with Company or even field grade officers. The
understanding used to be that the Officers have degrees and sometimes advanced degrees
which are one of the reasons they were chosen to be an officer. However now
that more and more NCO's are not only getting degrees but advanced degrees
shouldn't there be increased compensation for them at the senior NCO levels?
Promotions
NCOs
Education
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No, the promotion requires the education (more or less) and the NCO is afforded the opportunity to achieve it with sponsorship to reduce the cost via tuition assistance and through transferable credits through junior colleges and associated programs.
As for the compensation, the reason for the the assumed responsibility. Even by today's standard, the Commander is going to get hit harder for a Command team SNAFU than the 1SG will. That is what the Officer is getting compensated for, the risk he assumes.
That being said, we do a damn poor job of holding people's feet to the fire, both SNCO and Officers very rarely see appropriate punishment for dereliction of duty, Soldier abuse and other issues.
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My Branch (Ordnance Corps) DA PAM 600-25 says I should have completed an AA/AS as SSG and a BA/BS as MSG as promotion indicator. By the standard rank progression tables, I would have 8 years to make 60 hours into a degree and another 8 or more to make it into a 120 hour degree. By the new rules, I can draw TA from one year after AIT-to-Army report date, so that makes it six years to make a degree in some MOS.
Everyone had plenty of compensation available each fiscal year and it has gotten progressively easier. If you don't have a four year degree by the time the MSG board rolls around, maybe it's time for some soul searching.
Everyone had plenty of compensation available each fiscal year and it has gotten progressively easier. If you don't have a four year degree by the time the MSG board rolls around, maybe it's time for some soul searching.
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CSM Mike Maynard
SSG Beutler, great job utilizing the DA Pam 600-25. Not enough NCOs have looked at this document.
And, of course, this is the document that board panel members are given to let them know what is expected of NCOs in each MOS.
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I agree with Chief. As a NCO getting a degree is more of a stepping stone, while not required is it recommended. Our tuition assistance has been shaky over the last year because of the the budget cut, so getting a degree out of pocket looks excellent to the board. It shows that you are willing to take the extra time and spend the money to get ahead.
How many senior leadership positions in the civilian world are there that don't require a degree? Do any of them get compensated?
How many senior leadership positions in the civilian world are there that don't require a degree? Do any of them get compensated?
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